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Please keep the poll votes to the 2 questions please, but alas, do you think the Pershing needs a buff? or is it fine as is?

  1. The Pershing Needs a buff. (12 votes [66.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  2. The Pershing doesn't need a buff. (6 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

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supercessna1959 #1 Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:40 PM

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The title is pretty self-explanitory, but please let me go into further detail. The Pershing is one of the oldest tier 8 mediums out there, and it hasn't been touched after years. It's getting out-performed by other, newer tanks with similar stats and the same caliber gun. Take the Indien Panzer and the STA-2 for example. Their 90mm guns have 212 and 219 penetration respectivley, while the Pershing has 180. Meanwhile, the Indien has a far better power to weight ratio. Given the Indien doesn't have any better or worse armor in the Pershing when in combat, the Pershing still feels left behind when compared to other old tier 8 mediums aswell like the t-44, Centurion 1, and Panther II. The engine power is lackluster aswell, or should i say, the lackluster p/w ratio.

 

The Pershing's main stats on this topic are as follows on blitz.: 7.87 base ROF.

704 HP engine

180 AP pen.

 

The Pershing's base stats on PC: 190 pen.

7.32 base ROF.

704 HP engine. 

 

Now before you call me a bit hypocritical on those stats, remember the Pershing does less damage in blitz than on PC, 225 vs 240 damage. But still, look at tanks such as the Indien Panzer, they fire faster and have more penetration. Yes, the Pershing on PC has the same engine power and effectivley same dpm, but I'm not saying we have to fix all of these problems. All I'm saying is that if the pershing is going to be competitive, it should get a long deserved buff to either the penetration, rate of fire, or engine power. My thoughts for each change could be:

8.0 or 8.5 rate of fire.

750 or (maybe) 800 hp engine.

And buff pen to 190 from 180.

 

Just a few thoughts of mine, Let me know your thoughts down below. Oh and don't forget to take part in the poll At the top. Also, no rudefullness in the comments, I want a thoughtful discussion, not a flame war. As always, thanks for reading. -SuperCessna1959


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_Maho_Nishizumi_212 #2 Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:45 PM

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Pershing? I beg to differ... *cough cough* T34 *cough cough* :child:

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supercessna1959 #3 Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:49 PM

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View PostLord_Voldemort_, on 19 March 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Pershing? I beg to differ... *cough cough* T34 *cough cough* :child:

What do you mean? The t34 already got a buff updates ago! And it's amazing fam! Check my service record in it, not the highest wr, but i do good damage and even a 53 percent skrub like me enjoys it! :B


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_Maho_Nishizumi_212 #4 Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:51 PM

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IDK. I can't make her work. It seems like the gun is more inaccurate than some of Hilary's claims, more sluggish than a slug, and the turret armour doesnt make up for the trash hull. Idk how to do this. (I do know how to hull down, hide weak spots, etc) I'm not a noob

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supercessna1959 #5 Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:57 PM

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View PostLord_Voldemort_, on 19 March 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

IDK. I can't make her work. It seems like the gun is more inaccurate than some of Obama's claims, more sluggish than a slug, and the turret armour doesnt make up for the trash hull. Idk how to do this. (I do know how to hull down, hide weak spots, etc) I'm not a noob

 

I didn't say you were a noob. But the t34 requires care and tactical insight. You dont need as much as the lowe, but you can't just roll your head around over a keyboard like an is6 driver can. The gun has meh gun HANDLING. the accuracy of 0.35 aint half bad. The hull is bad yes, but 10 degrees of gun depressions means you can work ridgleines, its all about usingg terrain to your advantage. yes the power to  weight is a bit low, but its faster than the lowe. tanks like the t34 are a bit rarer than your average is6, most likley because it needs a bit more intellect to drive. :)
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_Maho_Nishizumi_212 #6 Posted 19 March 2017 - 09:58 PM

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The killer for me the lack of hull armour, and the 3.1 second aim time. If the reload time sucks, then why not give it a decent aim time? 2.7-2.9 sec or so I could work with

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supercessna1959 #7 Posted 19 March 2017 - 10:04 PM

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View PostLord_Voldemort_, on 19 March 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

The killer for me the lack of hull armour, and the 3.1 second aim time. If the reload time sucks, then why not give it a decent aim time? 2.7-2.9 sec or so I could work with

 

That's american tanks dude, tough turrets, weak hulls, if you're not used to 101.2mm of hullarmor at tier 8, yiu shouldnt be playing american heavies. XD 3.1 aim time is long, but the is6 is guilty of it aswell, The reload sucks because if you havent notcied, this thing pushes out 400 damage a shot, and has 248 PEN...  Anyways, us bickering about the t34 is for another topic, i'd like to get back to the pershing please.
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_Maho_Nishizumi_212 #8 Posted 19 March 2017 - 10:06 PM

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I can play american heavies-read my sig. But T32 has more armour-makes angling against lower tiers viable. I'm used to it, but really gets me PO'ed sometimes. The aim time more so tho-I have an EGLD already, b4 you ask.

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I feel more like the Super Pershing needs love more, it may have decent armor but it's much less mobile than Standard Pershing due to having a 500 Horse Power Engine. Let us not forget lower Penetration and insane Prammo costs.

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SP too. Sooo sluggish, I felt like I was driving my TOG for a moment

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View PostLord_Voldemort_, on 19 March 2017 - 04:06 PM, said:

I can play american heavies-read my sig. But T32 has more armour-makes angling against lower tiers viable. I'm used to it, but really gets me PO'ed sometimes. The aim time more so tho-I have an EGLD already, b4 you ask.

 

A GLD ASWELL as a vertical stablizer is what i use to fix the aim time and gun handling problem. Of  course then i use the rammer to boost rate of fire, dpm, and it allows me to farm wn8 off of pubbies faster. :teethhappy: also i have my own private discord server. i can link you to it for a little chit chat, no trouble at all really.
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View Postlookedsquirrel7, on 19 March 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

I feel more like the Super Pershing needs love more, it may have decent armor but it's much less mobile than Standard Pershing due to having a 500 Horse Power Engine. Let us not forget lower Penetration and insane Prammo costs.

 

yea that to. They both need buffs, but lets keep it to the m26 please. thanks.
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ok that works. I have a rammer too. It's a must for T34. I dont have the credits to mount a V-stab tho

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View PostLord_Voldemort_, on 19 March 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

SP too. Sooo sluggish, I felt like I was driving my TOG for a moment

 

While it is slower, the Super Persh dominates the regular persh any day of the week.  The Pershing seems very underpowered.  Buff the cheeks on the armor a bit to make it feel more American or increase the dpm to give it a general competitiveness buff.


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View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 19 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

 

While it is slower, the Super Persh dominates the regular persh any day of the week.  The Pershing seems very underpowered.  Buff the cheeks on the armor a bit to make it feel more American or increase the dpm to give it a general competitiveness buff.

 

thx lol. im just tiked off about the gun....
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Agree. The armour is good, as is the traverse. The acceleration and gun performance is the killer for it

 


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View PostLord_Voldemort_, on 19 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

ok that works. I have a rammer too. It's a must for T34. I dont have the credits to mount a V-stab tho

 

lol vstabs make a difference definitley, just start saving i guess.:trollface: oh, and here is my discord server!: https://discord.gg/tauu3d6
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alright. Thanks! I'm gonna be busy for a bit-might get to it today, maybe not. I may be on later tho. Would you be able to platoon? Show how to T34?

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View PostLord_Voldemort_, on 19 March 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

alright. Thanks! I'm gonna be busy for a bit-might get to it today, maybe not. I may be on later tho. Would you be able to platoon? Show how to T34?

 

Cool see ya later in the future ill be looking forward to it! id be dieing to help you on the t34, but my phone broke :( however i do have a video or two on the t34 on my youtube channel, i also have various other hull down esque tanks that can be guides aswell. if you care to, i can link you to my youtube channel!:rolleyes:
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Yeah plz do. Thx m8 o7. I think you meant "dying" tho :trollface:

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