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LoweExpectations #21 Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:06 AM

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View PostBigPoppaBender, on 19 March 2017 - 10:04 PM, said:

Restrict the m60 from CW and other competitive games because of its superior pen and being used a lot? So  should they restrict  the is7 because of its superior armor over other heavy tanks and it's mass usage as well? You can't just restrict a tank for its value because that means you'd have to restrict other tanks that are also the same or higher value use.

 

I think you are missing the point that the IS7 is available to everyone while the M60 is loyalty-only.

 

 

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View PostLoweExpectations, on 19 March 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:

 

I think you are missing the point that the IS7 is available to everyone while the M60 is loyalty-only.

 

Loyalty or not, if it's a tank that can be used, it can be used in competitive games

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View PostPanbun, on 19 March 2017 - 09:56 PM, said:

I don't think it should be nerfed, nor should it be made available to everyone. Just limit or restrict it from competitive matches.

 

That's not the solution I wanted, but it works enough.  Good players can abuse 30mm of extra HEAT pen so much more.  That is the difference between reliably penetrating an IS7 front or an E100 cheek.


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Here's an unbiased statement about what's going on.

 

One medium tank, which isn't available to everyone, has higher pen than any other medium tank. It disturbs the fairness of competitive play and therefore, something should change.

 

That's it.


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View Post_LookinGrim, on 19 March 2017 - 10:01 PM, said:

Saltttttttttttttttttttt

 

i have seen multiple people whining about m60 after facing us( pretty sure our entire tourney team have one except panda :P)

 

after all, I don't think it's a big deal but to tell em, git gud m9

 

all m60 gets is pen advantage and you can do the work with every other medium if u carefully aim.

 

also it's not a free tank, in fact probably most expensive tank. If they nerf or remove it they will be in bigger trouble

 

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2. Given out for free.... 6 million credits $$$.

3. Having the 30 mm extra HEAT penetration is actually fairly significant. Say you just have to pen the front of an E100. In an STB or anything like that you will get a ton of bounces, whereas the M60 gets easy mode HEAT.

4. You can do the same work in the other mediums... Except it requires higher skill than the M60 does.

 

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View PostBigPoppaBender, on 19 March 2017 - 11:08 PM, said:

 

Loyalty or not, if it's a tank that can be used, it can be used in competitive games

 

Not if there is still morale going around in this world. At least try to make it fair for everyone, everyone being the key word. 

 

Everyone can get an IS-7. Everyone can get an M48 Patton. Everyone can get an FV215B. Everyone can get an STB-1.

 

Not everyone can get an M60.



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And who gets to decide what tank is not allowed in competitive play? You? CW council? CC_Sly? And who's going to enforce it? 

 

Shouldn't 183 be restricted due to its overwhelming alpha damage? Shouldn't the Maus be restricted for having too much armor against the recently nerfed mediums? 



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View PostPURPLE_ROCK, on 19 March 2017 - 10:13 PM, said:

And who gets to decide what tank is not allowed in competitive play? You? CW council? CC_Sly? And who's going to enforce it? 

 

Shouldn't 183 be restricted due to its overwhelming alpha damage? Shouldn't the Maus be restricted for having too much armor against the recently nerfed mediums? 

 

No they shouldn't because they are balanced in the context of their tier and class.  Yeah sure it sucks getting hit by a 183, but it has weak armor and is enormous.  It has a niche role.  Maus can still be penetrated and actually should receive a buff, but it is relatively balanced in the context of it's tier and class.

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View PostPURPLE_ROCK, on 19 March 2017 - 09:13 PM, said:

And who gets to decide what tank is not allowed in competitive play? You? CW council? CC_Sly? And who's going to enforce it? 

 

Shouldn't 183 be restricted due to its overwhelming alpha damage? Shouldn't the Maus be restricted for having too much armor against the recently nerfed mediums? 

 

CW Council I'd assume, it's not that big of a problem to ban it from competitive play.

 

And that second part is missing the point. All of those tanks are available for everyone to use and they're supposed to have those features. The M60 wasn't given out to everyone and there's nothing anywhere that says it should have 330 pen, as all other mediums were nerfed. Please put aside any bias you have, just think this through. You know that this isn't fair. 


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Loyalty should be Rewarded.

 


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That's the thing, I feel like the people who defend the M60, also have an M60.

 

It's a completely different perspective when you are on the other side of the coin.


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View PostPURPLE_ROCK, on 19 March 2017 - 11:13 PM, said:

And who gets to decide what tank is not allowed in competitive play? You? CW council? CC_Sly? And who's going to enforce it? 

 

Shouldn't 183 be restricted due to its overwhelming alpha damage? Shouldn't the Maus be restricted for having too much armor against the recently nerfed mediums? 

 

WG can't ban people from playing a tank they gave out, so that rules out WG and me, because I have no authority. I'd have to say the CW council.

 

The point I'm trying to make is that not everyone has access to the M60. The 183 and Maus (which are both rarely used in CW I should point out) are accessible to anyone who plays the game. The M60 is not, and that's the selling part. It's kinda biased to let one tank which not everyone has access to roam around a competitive playing area.

 

Of course WG won't stop that, but the CW council can. They have working brains, they understand how this game works. What separates them from WG is the fact that they do actually listen to the competent playerbase, that they do give a go***mn f**k about things. That's how they got CW running without any help from an outside source, something WG still has not been able to manage as of yet in Blitz.. Did it all themselves. That is what makes CW fun for me, the fact that you can relate to them and the players, that you can voice your concerns and expect them to be heard, that you can actually say something and not expect it to be shot down at first glance or end up with a CW ban or chat ban or some ridiculous bull.

 

 They also understand that the M60 is only available to a select few players. I just don't believe it's fair that there are people who are allowed to play it, whereas there are others who not only don't have it and can't play it, but also have to deal with them on the competent player's battlefield. A stab in the back on top of everything.


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View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 19 March 2017 - 10:15 PM, said:

 

No they shouldn't because they are balanced in the context of their tier and class.  Yeah sure it sucks getting hit by a 183, but it has weak armor and is enormous.  It has a niche role.  Maus can still be penetrated and actually should receive a buff, but it is relatively balanced in the context of it's tier and class.

 

Who gets to decide if a tank is balanced or not? You? CW council? Or WG? 

 

View Postr4zrbl4de, on 19 March 2017 - 10:18 PM, said:

 

CW Council I'd assume, it's not that big of a problem to ban it from competitive play.

 

And that second part is missing the point. All of those tanks are available for everyone to use and they're supposed to have those features. The M60 wasn't given out to everyone and there's nothing anywhere that says it should have 330 pen, as all other mediums were nerfed. Please put aside any bias you have, just think this through. You know that this isn't fair. 

 

Okay, let's say CW council banned M60. What about WG-run tournaments? Who will decide then? 

 

Yes, M60 has 330 HEAT pen. But Obj. 140 has 290 while M48 Patton has 300. Is that fair? 

 

We all have our opinion on whats OP and whats not. JgE100 has 420 mm of HEAT pen, more than any other tanks in the game. How is that fair to other TDs?



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View PostPURPLE_ROCK, on 19 March 2017 - 10:28 PM, said:

 

Who gets to decide if a tank is balanced or not? You? CW council? Or WG? 

 

Don't give me bull, you know it is unbalanced and only defend it because you own one or you play on a team that has one or more.

 

This should not even be a question.


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View Postr4zrbl4de, on 19 March 2017 - 10:09 PM, said:

Here's an unbiased statement about what's going on.

 

One medium tank, which isn't available to everyone, has higher pen than any other medium tank. It disturbs the fairness of competitive play and therefore, something should change.

 

That's it.

 

This explains it perfectly.


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View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 19 March 2017 - 10:32 PM, said:

 

Don't give me bull, you know it is unbalanced and only defend it because you own one or you play on a team that has one or more.

 

This should not even be a question.

 

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all tanks must have identical stats and profiles and travel the same speed...then it would be fair

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View PostPURPLE_ROCK, on 19 March 2017 - 10:28 PM, said:

 

Who gets to decide if a tank is balanced or not? You? CW council? Or WG? 

 

 

Okay, let's say CW council banned M60. What about WG-run tournaments? Who will decide then? 

 

Yes, M60 has 330 HEAT pen. But Obj. 140 has 290 while M48 Patton has 300. Is that fair? 

 

We all have our opinion on whats OP and whats not. JgE100 has 420 mm of HEAT pen, more than any other tanks in the game. How is that fair to other TDs?

 

The problem isn't the fairness at heart. It's the limited availability provided by WG. Let's say the IS7 was only given out to certain players. They would have an advantage by having that additional tank in their arsenal for other roles. 

 

 

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