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Dark_Magician_Girl #41 Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:38 AM

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View PostPURPLE_ROCK, on 19 March 2017 - 10:34 PM, said:

 

​Mad you got ammo racked tonight? :trollface:

 

If that's the best you've got to say about the M60 being fair, I pity you.

 

Since you saw me play tonight, we both know that I contributed. Being ammo racked by an e4 on a win is moot.  I am happy with my play.


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View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 19 March 2017 - 10:32 PM, said:

 

Don't give me bull, you know it is unbalanced and only defend it because you own one or you play on a team that has one or more.

 

This should not even be a question.

 

View PostPURPLE_ROCK, on 19 March 2017 - 10:34 PM, said:

 

​Mad you got ammo racked tonight? :trollface:

 

Stay back with the personal jabs @DMG @PR. It isn't going to help either of you nor the debate. The point of this thread is to debate, not to bicker.

 

 

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R0CKET #44 Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:42 AM

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Do you ever worry WG might start to get annoyed and use the EULA, you being a obvious Reroll, and just Permaban you for multiple accts.? 

Messing with the Loyal players seems like a bad idea.

Speaking of Fair. Did the Clan Counsel Ban KBM from CW3 like WG is going to for Future Tournies?


Edited by AManBunIsADoucheDonut, 20 March 2017 - 03:44 AM.

As productive as that is, I've seen your stats. You aren't even good at predicting the present.

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r4zrbl4de #45 Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:43 AM

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View PostPURPLE_ROCK, on 19 March 2017 - 09:28 PM, said:

 

Who gets to decide if a tank is balanced or not? You? CW council? Or WG? 

 

 

Okay, let's say CW council banned M60. What about WG-run tournaments? Who will decide then? 

 

Yes, M60 has 330 HEAT pen. But Obj. 140 has 290 while M48 Patton has 300. Is that fair? 

 

We all have our opinion on whats OP and whats not. JgE100 has 420 mm of HEAT pen, more than any other tanks in the game. How is that fair to other TDs?

 

Well if it's Wargaming run, anything goes, because they don't seem to regulate anything.

 

And yes, that's fair, because those tanks do different things. As LoweExpecations pointed out, the STB and M60 fill similar roles, but the M60 renders the STB useless because it's better in almost every way. The Jagdpanzer E100 doesn't have good gun handling, mobility, or a turret, so the penetration is fine. The Grille has great gun handling, mobility, and a turret, so it doesn't need the pen that much. It's balanced. Now, if another paper TD with good gun handling, mobility, and a turret were to be released at tier 10 and it had 420 mm of HEAT pen, that wouldn't be fair, because it'd be better than the Grille. That's basically what's happening here.


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RagingHESHedPotato #46 Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:44 AM

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If they're going to nerf the m60 I want them to start banning Reroll accounts as well as the original account of the reroll. See what I did there? Don't be a hypocrite.

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Dark_Magician_Girl #47 Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:44 AM

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View PostAManBunIsADoucheDonut, on 19 March 2017 - 10:42 PM, said:

Do you ever worry WG might start to get annoyed and use the EULA, you being a obvious Reroll, and just Permaban you for multiple accts.? 

Messing with the Loyal players seems like a bad idea.

Speaking of Fair. Did the Clan Cousel Ban KBM from CW3 like WG is going to for Future Tournies?

 

If you or they can find proof that those 2 accounts existed as playable at the same time, they can.  But they didn't, so I'm clean.

Edited by Dark_Magician_Girl, 20 March 2017 - 03:44 AM.


r4zrbl4de #48 Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:46 AM

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View PostxX_ReDeeMeR_Xx, on 19 March 2017 - 09:44 PM, said:

If they're going to nerf the m60 I want them to start banning Reroll accounts as well as the original account of the reroll. See what I did there? Don't be a hypocrite.

 

Not that I'm defending reroll accounts, but one of the things you mentioned breaks (or at least disturbs the atmosphere of) the game, while the other one doesn't.

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Dark_Magician_Girl #49 Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:47 AM

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View PostxX_ReDeeMeR_Xx, on 19 March 2017 - 10:44 PM, said:

If they're going to nerf the m60 I want them to start banning Reroll accounts as well as the original account of the reroll. See what I did there? Don't be a hypocrite.

 

Sorry if I seem Over Powered to you.  WG please nerf the magician!

 

Give me a break.


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Does anyone have anything to say to my post? Just making sure people know that it is the correct approach to the situation.


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View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 19 March 2017 - 09:44 PM, said:

 

If you or they can find proof that those 2 accounts existed as playable at the same time, they can.  But they didn't, so I'm clean.

Technically, unless you sent a request to have your Original acct permanently closed. Then started a new one.....

So both Accts do exist at the same time. 

But I doubt "they" would check, considering the low profile youre maintaining. 

 

 


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I'm going to have to agree with DMG.


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Dark_Magician_Girl #53 Posted 20 March 2017 - 03:54 AM

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View PostAManBunIsADoucheDonut, on 19 March 2017 - 10:50 PM, said:

Technically, unless you sent a request to have your Original acct permanently closed. Then started a new one.....

So both Accts do exist at the same time. 

But I doubt "they" would check, considering the low profile youre maintaining. 

 

 

 

You cannot play an account that is in the deletion queue.  I said "existed as playable."

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I played the M60 in competitive before the nerf... it has a good turret, good gun and amazing gun depression. I preferred it over the STB-1 so I don't play it because everything else is nerfed. I just like the tank overall.

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View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 19 March 2017 - 11:00 PM, said:

 

Comparing numbers, you are the one that needs to carry harder.

 

You got a valid argument here.   Stop letting yourself to always get sidetracked like this.   

         

                                                                                                                                         

 

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View PostBigPoppaBender, on 19 March 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

 

Loyalty or not, if it's a tank that can be used, it can be used in competitive games

 

Ha. You wouldn't be saying that if WG gifted a WT E-100 to "loyal" members. Esp if you didn't get one.

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So if there is a tier Vlll clan wars battle you should not be able to use the IS6 Fearless. Do you agree? 

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Dark_Magician_Girl #58 Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:04 AM

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View PostScumbagJuJu, on 19 March 2017 - 11:02 PM, said:

I played the M60 in competitive before the nerf... it has a good turret, good gun and amazing gun depression. I preferred it over the STB-1 so I don't play it because everything else is nerfed. I just like the tank overall.

 

But don't you feel like a good player can abuse the extra 30mm of HEAT pen?  Players like you can abuse the ceiling of that tank now.  I can't help but think there is more of a margin for error when you can more reliably pen targets.

 

WG's purpose for the medium med nerf was that so players can't effectively engage heavy tanks frontally, the M60 can still do that.

 

Just my thought.


Edited by Dark_Magician_Girl, 20 March 2017 - 04:06 AM.


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Don't worry about it, those who have it tell the rest of us how much it sucks. :amazed:

 

Btw, thanks for the reminder of the WG nutz kick with the m60.



Dark_Magician_Girl #60 Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:06 AM

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View PostDerf19, on 19 March 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

So if there is a tier Vlll clan wars battle you should not be able to use the IS6 Fearless. Do you agree? 

 

No, because the stats of the tank are the same.





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