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ALHAU84 #41 Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:26 PM

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View Postj0nn0, on 08 April 2017 - 01:50 AM, said:

C-c-c-c-combo breaker. Okay. Take a serious look at your teammates right now. Do you really, really, really want them on your team in +2/-2? Not to mention that team sizes are too small to accomodate a proper balance of tanks. Losing 1/7 tanks in a battle makes a big difference real fast, especially if the top tiers on your team suck.

 

exactly. No, no, no


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Please, no.  Keep +1/-1.  I think it will also affect Tank balancing.  Does WG factor that in tank balancing?  Regardless, I think we should keep it the way it is now.

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I would welcome it back just to play against the wider range of tanks again. So what if your low teir in some battles. Balance is over rated and a over used excuse.
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View PostWar_Vet_1, on 08 April 2017 - 07:39 AM, said:

Please, no.  Keep +1/-1.  I think it will also affect Tank balancing.  Does WG factor that in tank balancing?  Regardless, I think we should keep it the way it is now.

 

Don't think please, the burning smell is autrocious.  

 

Not a lot of balancing went into +/-1 

   


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The gameplay and competition was better at +/-2 but sucked for tank grinds. Then the maps were essentially flattened to change the style of play and made certain tanks obsolete . Now you can gold your way through a tank to eliminate the grind. The campfest has grown to an all time high. Maybe the constant changes need to stop and go back to the original MM and the old maps. 

 

 



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View PostVino4Ever, on 08 April 2017 - 05:25 AM, said:

Not another thread on this. 
 
Why do people keep pushing the "I want to monkey stomp tier VIII in my tier X" agenda?

 

That's all this is about and it's ridiculous. 

Tomio_Hara #49 Posted 08 April 2017 - 01:31 PM

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Another one of these threads?? ugh.

 

All the tanks have already been rebalanced fro +1/-1 mm, and bringing that system back would require a massive backtrack as well as various premium nerfs that would be too OP when facing tier V and VI tanks. Ya ya they may face tier IX and X, but simply because of the amount of mid tier players it wouldn't happen as much.

2/2 is also horridly unbalanced in a 7v7 match when compared to a 15v15 game. High tier tanks have a much higher impact on gameplay then in 1/1. Remember when one of your two top tier tanks was a stock E50, or a Leopard PTA with bad ping while the other team had a ST-1 from TITAN or something? It would put even more faith into the mm and rngesus then we already have. 

Tiers V and VI would become nearly unplayable. They would have +2/-1 mm and would never have the joy of stomping around low tier pubs, but instead be the ones stomped. How many of your tier V-VI premiums would you play knowing there would be twice as much of a chance of facing IS-3's and defenders then facing Shermans or Luchs?

 

edit: Forgot this important part: In just one or two sessions it is easy to go from tiers I to V, but it takes weeks to go from V to VII. Back in 2/2 those weeks would be very painful as you were constantly being low tier facing vastly superior tanks that even a decent amount of skill would do no good in defending against. Most people would quit as the game is already complex enough (mission grinds, new equipment, clan reqs) and the number of players on would steadily decrease until only unicums or very skilled players were left at mid tiers as the game would get constantly 1 stared in the app store driving potential players away.

 


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View Postj0nn0, on 08 April 2017 - 02:50 AM, said:

C-c-c-c-combo breaker. Okay. Take a serious look at your teammates right now. Do you really, really, really want them on your team in +2/-2? Not to mention that team sizes are too small to accomodate a proper balance of tanks. Losing 1/7 tanks in a battle makes a big difference real fast, especially if the top tiers on your team suck.

 

This. What all the +/-2 proponents are not taking into account is how absolutely wretched the player base is. Do any of you really want to be in tier VIII tanks in a 4 X, 1 IX, 2 VIII mix (coz I'm presuming you're all platooning), when ALL of your tier Xs are 38-42%ers who have absolutely no clue how to play this game? All that does is create a massive waste of between 3 and 7 minutes of my life. 

 

Shawk -- your maps of Castillo are really nice and all, but other than in a tourney situation where you know all six of your teammates, when is the first scenario ever going to realistically happen?

 

You guys may all relish +2/-2 as either the chance to ROFLstomp a bunch of idiots 2 tiers below you or as the "challenge" of you and your platoonmate having to carry 5 paint lickers in a bottom tier -2 tank, but, seriously, no thanks.

 

 


Edited by klaw99x, 08 April 2017 - 02:45 PM.


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View Post_GhostHuey, on 08 April 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

I like being 2 tiers lower. You see I learn from being 2 tiers lower and I know how to play my tanks role correctly 

 

failtoon and play 2 down all you want. Problem solved. 

 

 

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View PostWareJC, on 08 April 2017 - 12:44 PM, said:

I would welcome it back just to play against the wider range of tanks again. So what if your low teir in some battles. Balance is over rated and a over used excuse.

 

there are far more tank lines than there were when +2-2 was in place. That reason is not really valid. 

 

 

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Any of these could be setup on filters:
Supremecy
Teir spread
MM WR levels
but why should they?

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View PostMayjaplaya, on 08 April 2017 - 09:06 AM, said:

I'll repeat what I said in the last big +2/-2 petition thread because nobody really addressed it.

 

So many people go "herp derp, I can beat +2 heavies with mediums all the time", but what if you switched the tank classes? What the heck can a VK30.01 H do against a Comet? A VK36.01 H do against a T-54 mod. 1? A Tiger II against a 140/T-62A? In each case, you're too slow to flank, you have, arguably, and even worse armor profile, and the 140/T-62A have more health and a DPM advantage of something like 70% over the Tiger II. Even if you play smart, deal your damage, and conserve all of your health, if the rest of your team are idiots and die, and you're left 1v1 or worse, the medium can just yolo at you, around your cover or whatever so "tactics" like hull-down and sidescraping are negated, autoaim into center mass, butter your "armor" and outtrade you. Unless the medium is botting, afk, or so stupid they sit in the open and shoot at some autobounce area on purpose, you'll have no chance.

 

You only need a small WR advantage to dominate [edited]heavies 2 tiers higher in a strong light or medium like the VK28.01, Cromwell (B), Comet, Type 62, LTTB, etc. But if you're in the [edited]heavies like the ones I mentioned above, like I said, the only way you can beat a strong medium 2 tiers higher, even if you are a unicum, is if they are botting, afk, or are so stupid they sit in the open and shoot at some autobounce area on purpose.

 

Again, I don't really care either way, but I'd rather not see yet another +2/-2 circlejerk with nobody bringing any counterpoints.

 

Then try beating a e100 with a stock t44...... ya not going to happen. 

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View Postdan_184_invader, on 08 April 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

 

Then try beating a e100 with a stock t44...... ya not going to happen. 

 

You actually picked the easiest stock tier 8 tank to beat an E100 in.  

Edited by __Crusader6__, 08 April 2017 - 02:12 PM.

 
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For those arguing about tank diversity, we have many more lines in the game now then we did back in +2/-2 (French, US autoloaders, light tanks) so we have just as much diversity now as we did back in the day. There is a thing such as too much diversity.

 

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When +1/-1 came out, I supported it fully. I thought games would be easier and more fast paced. Well now the games are pretty bland now. Every game has almost the same feel now. Every now and the I have an exciting game where I do really well which is interesting. However, if +2/-2 mm came back, some serious balance changes would be needed. 

 

I support +2/-2 mm now. 

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