92 replies to this topic

[RedBarchetta3]

Two posts I have made elsewhere in the forums:

________________

Every video game has some type of "storyline" (for lack of a better word). Nothing against anime or the Valkyrie Chronicles, but these tanks, and the frankentanks, don't fit the WOTB storyline. Whoever green lights these tanks is obviously clueless to keeping to the storyline of a video game. Sure the e25 is as fictitious as a Helsing, but the e25 fits the storyline.
 
In 30+ years of gaming I have never seen a publisher veer so far outside their own storyline. So far outside they're actually changing the storyline, well at least in Tier 7. Tier 7 has become a hodgepodge of vehicles that happen to have tracks and turrets with guns. Unfortunately, even if saner people take over, there's no going back. These "tanks" are stuck in the game. I still enjoy playing the game, mostly because of the people I've met and play with. But, on it's own, WOTB has become a cluster-[mess].

__________________

 

These fantasy tanks have as much relevancy in World of Tanks Blitz as Baby Luigi riding a Jet Bike in Forza Motorsports. 

__________________

[SheriffTexas]

bumblemoose, on 11 July 2017 - 10:38 AM, said:

 

 

Y'all are upset because players with over 10k games are calling you noobs when you have less than 2k games. 

 

The 8k+ difference seems small in numbers but it translates to a huge difference in experience.

 

In this case you, by definition, are a noob. I say this with the utmost respect.

 

Please understand that you will get salty comments on the forums. It's a very rough crowd. The best you can realistically hope for is no comments. In these forums, praise is earned and understanding only comes through facts, not opinions.

 

I mean, I had around 3 or 4k battles on console.

That + Battles as a stat aren't that reliable in terms of telling who's good and who's not. I've seen plenty of 20k+ battle players hovering around 49% wr and playing like absolute potatoes.

 

[SheriffTexas]

RedBarchetta3, on 11 July 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

Two posts I have made elsewhere in the forums:

________________

Every video game has some type of "storyline" (for lack of a better word). Nothing against anime or the Valkyrie Chronicles, but these tanks, and the frankentanks, don't fit the WOTB storyline. Whoever green lights these tanks is obviously clueless to keeping to the storyline of a video game. Sure the e25 is as fictitious as a Helsing, but the e25 fits the storyline.
 
In 30+ years of gaming I have never seen a publisher veer so far outside their own storyline. So far outside they're actually changing the storyline, well at least in Tier 7. Tier 7 has become a hodgepodge of vehicles that happen to have tracks and turrets with guns. Unfortunately, even if saner people take over, there's no going back. These "tanks" are stuck in the game. I still enjoy playing the game, mostly because of the people I've met and play with. But, on it's own, WOTB has become a cluster-[mess].

__________________

 

These fantasy tanks have as much relevancy in World of Tanks Blitz as Baby Luigi riding a Jet Bike in Forza Motorsports. 

__________________

 

Fantasy tanks... like the T28 Proto, FV 215, etc that are all WG fakes that have no basis in reality?

Besides the T28 proto having a napkin drawing that looks nothing like the WoT version. 

[Irany0]

As bad as the game currently is...be thankful that there is no artillery.

[SheriffTexas]

Destroy0, on 11 July 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

As bad as the game currently is...be thankful that there is no artillery.

 

*flashbacks intensify*

 

Edited by TOX1XWARR1OR, 11 July 2017 - 04:08 PM.

[acrisis]

Clockwork_Legion, on 11 July 2017 - 08:44 AM, said:

 

How DARE you use my piss poor stats against me? I feel cheated!

 

Really though my stats shouldn't say much except I have a tendency to ram heavies with my td and out dpm them. IT WORKS OKAY! Sometimes...

 

What matters is that I love the game. And in an attempt to improve, I have spent countless hours poring over the wiki and forums as well as watching YT videos. I DO know about what I'm talking about. Sometimes...

 

And honestly I think you know that, judging by the fact that your only counter argument is "well your stats are bad, you're a noob."

 

And that argument is so clearly untenable that I can't really put anything to defend my actual point.

 

So do you actually have a legitimate counter to what I said or has this just devolved into a personal attack?

 

That goes for you too Chariot_Solace.

 

I am happy you love the game and want to improve.

Being on the forum, watching good youtube content, reading guides, learning from others ... etc is great. 

I recommend reading the Game Mechanics regarding spotting, armor, etc
And if you want some great educational video series, I am happy to share. 

 

Where you get off on the wrong foot, here in the forum, is that you say you are "qualified" and dig your heels in against people with 12, 24, 36 months in this game and 10x 20x etc more battles.

 

While you are most likely more informed than most people at 1k games, pinning yourself as an expert ... just doesn't jive. You may have read up some, but you have not put in the time in game nor experienced things that you talk about. 

I have been around for a good while, started really slow, listened and read A LOT, asked many questions, including stupid ones ... well before I attempted to give advice, and then just did so on basic things.  I keep up with the game, the forum, discord etc ... and while I may be a good tanker and have a good deal of experience, on many aspects I still would never call myself "qualified" or an "expert".   How is that for perspective and reflection? 

 

And, I know, you got poked with your stats. I think it was deserved given the thread and your posts, as a little wake up call. Note that we all started bad. We all got our stats pointed out to us ... it is a foundation to build up from. 

Hopefully you find a good way to focus your energy. Just go easy on the advice and paper expertise  

[RedBarchetta3]

TOX1XWARR1OR, on 11 July 2017 - 11:56 AM, said:

 

Fantasy tanks... like the T28 Proto, FV 215, etc that are all WG fakes that have no basis in reality?

Besides the T28 proto having a napkin drawing that looks nothing like the WoT version. 

 

Those fit within the storyline far better than the Helsing or the Lupus. 

 

At this point, they might as well stick walking robots into the game. 

Edited by RedBarchetta3, 11 July 2017 - 04:09 PM.

[acrisis]

... Armoured Persona anyone ...

 

[bumblemoose]

TOX1XWARR1OR, on 11 July 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

 

I mean, I had around 3 or 4k battles on console.

That + Battles as a stat aren't that reliable in terms of telling who's good and who's not. I've seen plenty of 20k+ battle players hovering around 49% wr and playing like absolute potatoes.

 

 

I fully understand and respect your position. I'm simply trying to let you know what to expect around here. 

 

As to stats not being reliable, I agree. However, maintaining a 49% WR over 20k battles is a lot harder than maintaining a 59% WR over 2k battles.

 

Everyone potatoes, some more often than others.

[Clockwork_Legion]

acrisis, on 11 July 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

 

I am happy you love the game and want to improve.

Being on the forum, watching good youtube content, reading guides, learning from others ... etc is great. 

I recommend reading the Game Mechanics regarding spotting, armor, etc
And if you want some great educational video series, I am happy to share. 

 

Where you get off on the wrong foot, here in the forum, is that you say you are "qualified" and dig your heels in against people with 12, 24, 36 months in this game and 10x 20x etc more battles.

 

While you are most likely more informed than most people at 1k games, pinning yourself as an expert ... just doesn't jive. You may have read up some, but you have not put in the time in game nor experienced things that you talk about. 

I have been around for a good while, started really slow, listened and read A LOT, asked many questions, including stupid ones ... well before I attempted to give advice, and then just did so on basic things.  I keep up with the game, the forum, discord etc ... and while I may be a good tanker and have a good deal of experience, on many aspects I still would never call myself "qualified" or an "expert".   How is that for perspective and reflection? 

 

And, I know, you got poked with your stats. I think it was deserved given the thread and your posts, as a little wake up call. Note that we all started bad. We all got our stats pointed out to us ... it is a foundation to build up from. 

Hopefully you find a good way to focus your energy. Just go easy on the advice and paper expertise  

 

First of all thank you for the advice, 

 

That being said I never attempted to nor claimed to be an expert. I am sorry if it came off that way.

To reword my previous statement that everyone appears to be calling me out on in a better way: Having played multiple games and doing some research, I think I can tell when a game has noticeable issues, and blitz doesn't.

 

Side note: I finally saw an 0-47 today, the thing looks Dope!

 

RedBarchetta3, on 11 July 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

 

Those fit within the storyline far better than the Helsing or the Lupus. 

 

At this point, they might as well stick walking robots into the game. 

 

Also robots are cool, has anyone ever played Titanfall? The main concern is how to track a robot... and how they would stick up over cover...

 

On second thought probably not...

 

Seriously though, Valkyria tanks = Fine, Helsing = stupid.

 

And when are they making the maps bigger so we can get arty?

Edited by Clockwork_Legion, 11 July 2017 - 05:33 PM.

[Jagdwagengrimm_]

Clockwork_Legion, on 11 July 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

 

How DARE you use my piss poor stats against me? I feel cheated!

 

Really though my stats shouldn't say much except I have a tendency to ram heavies with my td and out dpm them. IT WORKS OKAY! Sometimes...

 

What matters is that I love the game. And in an attempt to improve, I have spent countless hours poring over the wiki and forums as well as watching YT videos. I DO know about what I'm talking about. Sometimes...

 

And honestly I think you know that, judging by the fact that your only counter argument is "well your stats are bad, you're a noob."

 

And that argument is so clearly untenable that I can't really put anything to defend my actual point.

 

So do you actually have a legitimate counter to what I said or has this just devolved into a personal attack?

 

That goes for you too Chariot_Solace.

 

Your stats are not our only argument. We have countered and disproved your statements on many levels, but stats and experience are far from irrelevant here. If you had to go see a mechanic or a doctor about a problem, would you rather see one who has been at it for a few weeks, or a few years? One who has outstanding reviews online, or mixed reviews and a number of blemishes on his record? Experience and track record reflects you knowledge of the trade, or in this case game, and people trust and value your opinions more because of them.

Edited by Chariot_Solace, 11 July 2017 - 07:46 PM.

[Irany0]

I honestly think that Wargaming should stop pumping in new IS-variant premiums and fantasy tanks, and focus on tech tree lines we really want like the French meds or swedish TDs.

Edited by Destroy0, 11 July 2017 - 09:39 PM.

[Clockwork_Legion]

Chariot_Solace, on 11 July 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

Your stats are not our only argument. We have countered and disproved your statements on many levels, but stats and experience are far from irrelevant here. If you had to go see a mechanic or a doctor about a problem, would you rather see one who has been at it for a few weeks, or a few years? One who has outstanding reviews online, or mixed reviews and a number of blemishes on his record? Experience and track record reflects you knowledge of the trade, or in this case game, and people trust and value your opinions more because of them.

 

Should I even bother...

 

I countered those other arguments, but instead of looking at them you went after my stats.

It is unfortunate the experience and stats are valued more the objective knowledge of the problem at hand.

 

As for the mechanic issue it depends on which is cheaper. And closer. And if the lobby doesn't smell of mustard mixed with mold...

 

See the problem with forums is that arguments never resolve until both parties get bored.

I see no reason to continue this, I think we have both made our points. 

But if you want to continue, I am perfectly happy to continue sending the same posts in response to your same stale argument.

 

Destroy0, on 11 July 2017 - 04:39 PM, said:

I honestly think that Wargaming should stop pumping in new IS-variant premiums and fantasy tanks, and focus on tech tree lines we really want like the French meds or swedish TDs.

 

As for this post, nobody likes the French. they lost two world wars almost immediately. I vote they add the swedes. Maybe the polish, It would be cool to drive a horse with a lancer upon it in a tank game.

Edited by Clockwork_Legion, 12 July 2017 - 01:10 PM.

[Irany0]

Clockwork_Legion, on 12 July 2017 - 08:10 AM, said:

 

Should I even bother...

 

I countered those other arguments, but instead of looking at them you went after my stats.

It is unfortunate the experience and stats are valued more the objective knowledge of the problem at hand.

 

As for the mechanic issue it depends on which is cheaper. And closer. And if the lobby doesn't smell of mustard mixed with mold...

 

See the problem with forums is that arguments never resolve until both parties get bored.

I see no reason to continue this, I think we have both made our points. 

But if you want to continue, I am perfectly happy to continue sending the same posts in response to your same stale argument.

 

 

As for this post, nobody likes the French. they lost two world wars almost immediately. I vote they add the swedes. Maybe the polish, It would be cool to drive a horse with a lancer upon it in a tank game.

Sorry, but I'll take the batchat any day over the swedish/polish tanks.

[Clockwork_Legion]

Destroy0, on 12 July 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

Sorry, but I'll take the batchat any day over the swedish/polish tanks.

 

After further study, apparently the poles only had about 3 tanks (one was an armored car) in service during the invasion of poland...

The rest was infantry and horse mounted cavalry.

 

It would probably be more practical to simply add french tanks that had already seen service in the pc version...

 

But I want to drive an armored tier 10 horse and mess people up with a saber. Heil Poland.

[anonym_J0XpPXlUYiaj]

RedBarchetta3, on 11 July 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

Two posts I have made elsewhere in the forums:

________________

Every video game has some type of "storyline" (for lack of a better word). Nothing against anime or the Valkyrie Chronicles, but these tanks, and the frankentanks, don't fit the WOTB storyline. Whoever green lights these tanks is obviously clueless to keeping to the storyline of a video game. Sure the e25 is as fictitious as a Helsing, but the e25 fits the storyline.
 
In 30+ years of gaming I have never seen a publisher veer so far outside their own storyline. So far outside they're actually changing the storyline, well at least in Tier 7. Tier 7 has become a hodgepodge of vehicles that happen to have tracks and turrets with guns. Unfortunately, even if saner people take over, there's no going back. These "tanks" are stuck in the game. I still enjoy playing the game, mostly because of the people I've met and play with. But, on it's own, WOTB has become a cluster-[mess].

__________________

 

These fantasy tanks have as much relevancy in World of Tanks Blitz as Baby Luigi riding a Jet Bike in Forza Motorsports. 

__________________

 

TOX1XWARR1OR, on 11 July 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

 

Fantasy tanks... like the T28 Proto, FV 215, etc that are all WG fakes that have no basis in reality?

Besides the T28 proto having a napkin drawing that looks nothing like the WoT version. 

 

um, like 80% of the tanks in this game never even saw combat, let alone where even manufactured. As a matter of fact the whole game is fantasy. Tanks didnt blast to 60 kpm and certainly these tanks dont have actual real life armour profiles. 99% of these tanks are fantasy man.

[Clockwork_Legion]

Ferranzo_JesusLovesYou, on 12 July 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

 

 

um, like 80% of the tanks in this game never even saw combat, let alone where even manufactured. As a matter of fact the whole game is fantasy. Tanks didnt blast to 60 kpm and certainly these tanks dont have actual real life armour profiles. 99% of these tanks are fantasy man.

 

 

Just looked it up. Your totally right about most of them not even being manufactured.

 

However, the real life counterparts COULD reach speeds of 60kph and DID have armor profiles.

 

Other than that, pretty damn accurate.

[RedBarchetta3]

Ferranzo_JesusLovesYou, on 12 July 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

 

 

um, like 80% of the tanks in this game never even saw combat, let alone where even manufactured. As a matter of fact the whole game is fantasy. Tanks didnt blast to 60 kpm and certainly these tanks dont have actual real life armour profiles. 99% of these tanks are fantasy man.

 

No kidding, but you totally missed my point. It's like putting Capt. Jack Sparrow in the next James Bond movies as 007's nemesis. The Bond movies are complete fiction, so what's the harm in adding a swashbuckling pirate? What a turd of a movie that would be (except of course to the people who disagree with me about fantasy tanks). However, add the pirate from "Captain Phillips" to the next Bond movie and we have something more palatable. The content in this game is a mess of genres and themes, lacking any sort of direction. 

[mikesd1]

reluctanttheist, on 09 July 2017 - 12:33 AM, said:

 

​Good.  Once it's ready, all their players can come to Blitz 

 

WG may be bad, but Gaijin is manifestly worse.

 

Cannot even get their game to load. Pretty piss poor start.

[mikesd1]

Ferranzo_JesusLovesYou, on 12 July 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

 

 

um, like 80% of the tanks in this game never even saw combat, let alone where even manufactured. As a matter of fact the whole game is fantasy. Tanks didnt blast to 60 kpm and certainly these tanks dont have actual real life armour profiles. 99% of these tanks are fantasy man.

 

No entirely accurate, the Sheridan was the fastest tank I ever had the pleasure of seeing, not to mention fired missiles.