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360TrickShotter #21 Posted 10 July 2017 - 05:48 AM

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The Conqueror should play like a squishier M103.

 

The 215b is good and is better than the T110E5 at this moment, I can tell you that.


 

 

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View Post360TrickShotter, on 09 July 2017 - 09:48 PM, said:

The Conqueror should play like a squishier M103.

 

^^ Run it with meds and wreck with your gun.


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xXZachAttackXx_EOG #23 Posted 10 July 2017 - 08:49 AM

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Conq is nothing more than a platform for it's awesome gun and should be played as such. Support and snipe I haven't even played it and know it's fine as is. Don't get me started on the t110e5 though....,

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G_O_O_S_E #24 Posted 10 July 2017 - 10:31 AM

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View PostCptCheez, on 10 July 2017 - 03:28 AM, said:

I've gotten 11 Raseiniai medals in this game in my nearly fifteen thousand battles.  One of those was in the Conqueror.  2 of my 37 Pool's were in the Conq as well.

 

Your argument is invalid. :)

As impressive as that may or may not be, nothing about it whatsoever invalidates an arguement. 


Edited by G_O_O_S_E, 10 July 2017 - 10:31 AM.


CptCheez #25 Posted 10 July 2017 - 03:42 PM

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View PostG_O_O_S_E, on 10 July 2017 - 06:31 AM, said:

As impressive as that may or may not be, nothing about it whatsoever invalidates an arguement. 

 

Of course it does.  The OP said this:

 

"there's absolutely no reason to think this tank is good. It will easily be killed by not only every tier 9 tank it meets, but also by every tier 8 because in case I haven't pointed this out yet, it has 0 armor."

 

If that were true, getting a raisin would be impossible.


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G_O_O_S_E #26 Posted 10 July 2017 - 04:43 PM

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View PostCptCheez, on 10 July 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

 

Of course it does.  The OP said this:

 

"there's absolutely no reason to think this tank is good. It will easily be killed by not only every tier 9 tank it meets, but also by every tier 8 because in case I haven't pointed this out yet, it has 0 armor."

 

If that were true, getting a raisin would be impossible.

 

logic is still off there...just because 'it will be easily killed by equal tier tanks, and lower tier tanks' does NOT in any way make raisinei medals impossible. If it doesn't get shot at, it can't be killed. If the enemy is absolutely inept (it happens i promise) even the worst tanks can have good games. Good try tho. 

Also, for the record, in an early comment, I defended the conqueror...sooo



CptCheez #27 Posted 10 July 2017 - 05:15 PM

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View PostG_O_O_S_E, on 10 July 2017 - 12:43 PM, said:

logic is still off there...just because 'it will be easily killed by equal tier tanks, and lower tier tanks' does NOT in any way make raisinei medals impossible. If it doesn't get shot at, it can't be killed. If the enemy is absolutely inept (it happens i promise) even the worst tanks can have good games. Good try tho. 

Also, for the record, in an early comment, I defended the conqueror...sooo

 

Explain to the class how to get a Raisin without getting shot at.  You've gotten 10 yourself, so you know how those games go.

 

Go ahead, I'll wait.


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G_O_O_S_E #28 Posted 10 July 2017 - 05:50 PM

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It does have hit points to fall back on...if it doesn't get shot at until late game and there's one shots? Sounds like the right recipe to me. You're just being contradictory for the sake of being contradictory and it's not proving any point. All I was saying is that just because he's had good games in a tank someone thinks is bad doesn't make it a good tank. People have good games in the jg. Pz 4. People have good games in the st Emil. Doesn't make them good tanks. 

CptCheez #29 Posted 10 July 2017 - 05:51 PM

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View PostG_O_O_S_E, on 10 July 2017 - 01:50 PM, said:

It does have hit points to fall back on...if it doesn't get shot at until late game and there's one shots? Sounds like the right recipe to me. You're just being contradictory for the sake of being contradictory and it's not proving any point. All I was saying is that just because he's had good games in a tank someone thinks is bad doesn't make it a good tank.

 

I'm being contradictory?  You're the one who replied to my post first, buddy.  My Ras in this tank was a 4326 damage game.  That's not waiting until late game when red tanks are one shots.  My 1st Ace in this tank was over 5000 damage.  Also not waiting until late game when red tanks are one shots.  This is not "being contradictory".  These are factual events.

 

All I'm saying is that just because the OP hasn't figured out how to play the Conqueror doesn't make it a bad tank.


Edited by CptCheez, 10 July 2017 - 05:55 PM.

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G_O_O_S_E #30 Posted 10 July 2017 - 08:18 PM

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I literally just said that I think it's a good tank...

 

 

all that I am saying is that just because you like it and do well in it, is not sufficient evidence to call a tank good. 



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View PostG_O_O_S_E, on 10 July 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

I literally just said that I think it's a good tank...

 

all that I am saying is that just because you like it and do well in it, is not sufficient evidence to call a tank good. 

 

Here's the thing...I don't have just a few good games in it.  My Ras and Pool's games aren't outliers.  I *consistently* do well in it, which is not really possible in a crap tank.  I own every Tier 9 tank in this game, and have played at least 100 battles in all of them (except the WT, which I just bought yesterday).  The Conqueror has the 3rd highest Avg Dmg of all my Tier 9 tanks, only behind the T30 and Tortoise.  Which means it has the highest Avg Dmg out of all of my Tier 9 Heavies.  It also has the 2nd highest Survival Rate of all my Tier 9 tanks, 2nd only to the ST-I.  3rd highest Kills Per Battle (again behind T30 and Tortoise).  2nd highest Kills Per Death.  2nd highest Hit Rate.

 

See where I'm going with this?  If I just had a few good games in it, none of those stats would be possible.  If it were a crap tank, none of those stats would be possible.  These are the things that make me say it's a good tank.  And if you think it's a good tank, why try to argue with me when I'm ALSO saying it's a good tank?  Who's the one being contradictory here?

 

Sure, I had a few good games in the St. Emil.  But it's a horrible tank.  See how that works?


Edited by CptCheez, 10 July 2017 - 08:52 PM.

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wannabeunicum #32 Posted 10 July 2017 - 11:47 PM

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View PostCptCheez, on 10 July 2017 - 03:28 AM, said:

I've gotten 11 Raseiniai medals in this game in my nearly fifteen thousand battles.  One of those was in the Conqueror.  2 of my 37 Pool's were in the Conq as well.

 

Your argument is invalid. :)

 

I just got a raisin kolobonav in my bulldog

Its still a bad tank.



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Just buff the turret like they did on console and PC, in fact when the tanks came out on PC the FV had the same paper turret the conqueror has now, and when they buffed the FV they buffed the conquerors turret also, which is why I don't get why the FV he's better turret armour than the conqueror since they're supposed to have the same turret

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Molley_OG #34 Posted 11 July 2017 - 01:04 AM

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If you think the conq sucks your probably just a bad driver. In the right hands it's an epic tank especially if u get good with the Hesh. 

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View Postwannabeunicum, on 10 July 2017 - 07:47 PM, said:

I just got a raisin kolobonav in my bulldog

Its still a bad tank.

 

Way to read the entire thread dude.  In particular, the post RIGHT ABOVE YOURS.

Edited by CptCheez, 11 July 2017 - 01:30 AM.

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NitroTheCreator #36 Posted 11 July 2017 - 01:48 AM

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Some heavy tanks rely on their armor, some more on their gun. And that goes for every tank class. 


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It's all about the gun. You can bounce off turret, but it's hull is useless.





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