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dindincf #21 Posted 17 July 2017 - 03:51 PM

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View PostMarBearCat, on 17 July 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

T1 Heavy is BOSS :angry:

 

One of the best tier 5s.  Good pen, Dpm, gun depression and despite what OP says, mobility and frontal armour

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View PostMarBearCat, on 17 July 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

T1 Heavy is BOSS :angry:

 

^^^^^

This, and thanks for your persistence in making the point.

 

 



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View PostGeneralBossman, on 17 July 2017 - 07:45 AM, said:

 

Yeah for some people these tanks can be absolute monsters, but that's true with practically any tank in the game if they're a skilled enough tanker. I know I've found myself outplayed by a sneaky flak bus or gotten stomped by a skilled panther, but typically I don't have as many issues fighting these tanks.

 

You should add to the list the:

  1. Leopard1 - no armor
  2. Dragon - no armor
  3. Obj 263 - no turret low alpha
  4. T62a - no gun depression
  5. Maus - slow
  6. Borsig - no armor
  7. M48A1 Patton - Big profile slow for a medium

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View Postdindincf, on 17 July 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

 

One of the best tier 5s.  Good pen, Dpm, gun depression and despite what OP says, mobility and frontal armour

 



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View Postdindincf, on 17 July 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

 

One of the best tier 5s.  Good pen, Dpm, gun depression and despite what OP says, mobility and frontal armour

 

Would still rather encounter a random pub player in the T1 than a Leopard of Kv-1....... maybe it's just me. lol
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View Postdindincf, on 17 July 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

 

You should add to the list the:

  1. Leopard1 - no armor
  2. Dragon - no armor
  3. Obj 263 - no turret low alpha
  4. T62a - no gun depression
  5. Maus - slow
  6. Borsig - no armor
  7. M48A1 Patton - Big profile slow for a medium

 

borsig has a scary gun :(

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View PostSharpe40475, on 17 July 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

 

Would still rather encounter a random pub player in the T1 than a Leopard of Kv-1....... maybe it's just me. lol

 

Most people say the KV-1 is the best tier 5 so what your saying isn't anything special.

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View Postbumblemoose, on 17 July 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

 

I agree and will add that if you see certain tankers in certain tanks, then they're driving that tank for a reason.

 

Good tankers don't drive terrible tanks. That's why the're good tankers.

 

That's a great point, you don't see many great players in the "worse tanks".

But, for this discussion, I think you have to keep the unicums out of it. In these cases, it's the player, not the tank. 

 

in the hands of a 40%er, a KV-2 can get lucky and one shot kill 3 guys on your team. More to be scared of in my opinion, as it negates a little of the skill difference. 

 

a unicum has great stats in ALL tanks. 

 

T1 is a solid tank. I like it and respect it, but the tank alone doesn't make me avoid it.


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I think the Panther 1 is better than average. Reload under 4 seconds, decent mobility, and the only other tanks that beat it in pen by more than 5 are the AMX M4 45, the AT 7, and the SU 100M1, and it out pens pretty much every other med in it's tier. I find the armor to hold up pretty well too, and the large hp pool for a med make it better than average. The only thing about it I would call bad is the complete lack of gun depression

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From my perspective:

Tier 5 is at a pretty good balance as it hasn't been powercreeped too much. If I had to pick one, I'd say the crusader - not enough armor or gun. Honorable mention to the Wolverine; has promise but has been slightly powercreeped, especially when it sees tier 6 tanks.

 

Tier 6 has to be the Churchill Gun Carrier. Slow non-turreted TD with crummy armor. Easy pen from anywhere. Honorable mention to the VK 30.whatever mediums.

 

Tier 7 - the Stupid Emil. Awesome gun, yes, but that's all it has. Once spotted, it is insta-death. Honorable mention goes to the Panther M10. All the good players have parked it, so it's usually bad players buying a higher tier premium on name ("Panther") only.

 

Tier 8 - Probably the Jag 8.8. The game has moved toward alpha and speed. It's way too easy to minimize the DPM advantage it has.  Honorable mention is the Panther II. Average at everything in a tier with too many good tanks.

 

Tier 9 - I'd say the E50. It's been out classed by all other tier 9 mediums. Throw in the medium pen nerf and it's a meh tank. I enjoy driving it, but it sure doesn't scare me on red. Honorable mention to the Cent 7/1; great gun, but not many know how to use the tank correctly.

 

Tier 10 - The T57. It has no business being a tier 10 heavy.



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View PostNaDa_22, on 17 July 2017 - 10:34 AM, said:

 

Maybe T54E1?

 

But otherwise I also think that the tier 9 as a whole is well-balanced. 

 

I would say for tier 9 it is the Type-61. I run that tank and have people literally ignore me on the battlefield- it is one of its secret assets.

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View PostREAPER1823, on 17 July 2017 - 08:28 AM, said:

I think the Panther 1 is better than average. Reload under 4 seconds, decent mobility, and the only other tanks that beat it in pen by more than 5 are the AMX M4 45, the AT 7, and the SU 100M1, and it out pens pretty much every other med in it's tier. I find the armor to hold up pretty well too, and the large hp pool for a med make it better than average. The only thing about it I would call bad is the complete lack of gun depression

 

^^ this completely, great tank.  6 degrees isn't that bad

 

View Posttpcshadow, on 17 July 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

From my perspective:

Tier 5 is at a pretty good balance as it hasn't been powercreeped too much. If I had to pick one, I'd say the crusader - not enough armor or gun. Honorable mention to the Wolverine; has promise but has been slightly powercreeped, especially when it sees tier 6 tanks.

 

Tier 6 has to be the Churchill Gun Carrier. Slow non-turreted TD with crummy armor. Easy pen from anywhere. Honorable mention to the VK 30.whatever mediums.

 

Tier 7 - the Stupid Emil. Awesome gun, yes, but that's all it has. Once spotted, it is insta-death. Honorable mention goes to the Panther M10. All the good players have parked it, so it's usually bad players buying a higher tier premium on name ("Panther") only.

 

Tier 8 - Probably the Jag 8.8. The game has moved toward alpha and speed. It's way too easy to minimize the DPM advantage it has.  Honorable mention is the Panther II. Average at everything in a tier with too many good tanks.

 

Tier 9 - I'd say the E50. It's been out classed by all other tier 9 mediums. Throw in the medium pen nerf and it's a meh tank. I enjoy driving it, but it sure doesn't scare me on red. Honorable mention to the Cent 7/1; great gun, but not many know how to use the tank correctly.

 

Tier 10 - The T57. It has no business being a tier 10 heavy.

 

I agree with most of this but the crusader is now an excellent choice at tier 5.  It has great accuracy, dpm and pen it only lacks alpha.  So I'm not sure why you are saying the gun is bad.  If it got a mobility buff it might be OP.  


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View Postdindincf, on 17 July 2017 - 10:16 AM, said:

 

Not sure what you are talking about with a few of these.  

  1. T1 heavy is a boss.  Almost as fast as some mediums.
  2. Vk 36.01 goes 51 km/h and has a wonderful aim time.  I noticed that you avg 800 damage in it.  Maybe that is why you perception of it is negative.
  3. Panther is amazing.  DPM and penetration are both excellent.  

 

100% agree. The VK is the sleeper reaper of tier 6. Nothing wrong with the panther if played to its strengths, and the T1 heavy is a straight up bully. 

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View Posttpcshadow, on 17 July 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

From my perspective:

Tier 5 is at a pretty good balance as it hasn't been powercreeped too much. If I had to pick one, I'd say the crusader - not enough armor or gun. Honorable mention to the Wolverine; has promise but has been slightly powercreeped, especially when it sees tier 6 tanks.

 

Tier 6 has to be the Churchill Gun Carrier. Slow non-turreted TD with crummy armor. Easy pen from anywhere. Honorable mention to the VK 30.whatever mediums.

 

Tier 7 - the Stupid Emil. Awesome gun, yes, but that's all it has. Once spotted, it is insta-death. Honorable mention goes to the Panther M10. All the good players have parked it, so it's usually bad players buying a higher tier premium on name ("Panther") only.

 

Tier 8 - Probably the Jag 8.8. The game has moved toward alpha and speed. It's way too easy to minimize the DPM advantage it has.  Honorable mention is the Panther II. Average at everything in a tier with too many good tanks.

 

Tier 9 - I'd say the E50. It's been out classed by all other tier 9 mediums. Throw in the medium pen nerf and it's a meh tank. I enjoy driving it, but it sure doesn't scare me on red. Honorable mention to the Cent 7/1; great gun, but not many know how to use the tank correctly.

 

Tier 10 - The T57. It has no business being a tier 10 heavy.

Should be.......

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View Postdindincf, on 17 July 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

^^ this completely, great tank.  6 degrees isn't that bad

 

If you can sit on top of the tower at Castilla and not be able to shoot across the moat into the town, your tank doesn't have enough gun depression. I have almost 600 battles in it.



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View Posttpcshadow, on 17 July 2017 - 10:29 AM, said:

From my perspective:

Tier 5 is at a pretty good balance as it hasn't been powercreeped too much. If I had to pick one, I'd say the crusader - not enough armor or gun. Honorable mention to the Wolverine; has promise but has been slightly powercreeped, especially when it sees tier 6 tanks.

Forgot all about the wolverine tbh, it's been a long time since I've played it, and that was back when I was noob lol. It's definitely a contender. I gotta disagree with you on the crusader though, the gun actually performed fairly well with the great rof, kinda like the t-34 with the 57mm gun. That tank is all about carving up people unaware with the great dpm

 

Spot on with the Vk meds though. For me it was either them or the Vk heavy. I went with the heavy just because they're more common


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Crusaders certainly worry me late game when the hp pool is low. Better to remove them early. 

The toaster, dicker max, and Emil are good candidates. M41 is certainly a candidate. In general, the slower the tank, the less I worry. It's easy to predict where they will go, and then force the battle to happen elsewhere, then, once your team has dealt with the rest, it's easy to gang up on that maus, or whatever. 

 



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View PostREAPER1823, on 17 July 2017 - 08:48 AM, said:

 

If you can sit on top of the tower at Castilla and not be able to shoot across the moat into the town, your tank doesn't have enough gun depression. I have almost 600 battles in it.

 

I suppose it depends more on player skill and experience.  I am used to 6 degrees of gun depression.  It works for me.

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The T71 and SP 1C are stat padding tanks for the enemy.  I know it the right hands they can do well but 90% of the time they do nothing.  

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I did very well with all the VK mediums. I feel they are good tanks. Not sure why no one plays them anymore. 




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