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christian1470 #41 Posted 17 July 2017 - 04:56 PM

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View PostREAPER1823, on 17 July 2017 - 11:48 AM, said:

 

If you can sit on top of the tower at Castilla and not be able to shoot across the moat into the town, your tank doesn't have enough gun depression. I have almost 600 battles in it.

 

well, your first mistake is to go up to the monastery to begin with. I do pretty well on castilla and I never go up there, no matter what I'm driving. 

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View Postchristian1470, on 17 July 2017 - 10:54 AM, said:

I did very well with all the VK mediums. I feel they are good tanks. Not sure why no one plays them anymore. 

 

You'd think they would be more popular considering the historical relevance of the panther (at least the original vk)... And yeah there's nothing glaringly terrible about them.

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Crusader rankings at tier:

Accuracy 3rd

DPM 8th

Pen 8th

Power to weight ration 4/4/3

Traverse speed 6/4/5

Gun depression (12 degs) 4th

Reload time 2nd

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View Posttpcshadow, on 17 July 2017 - 09:29 AM, said:

Tier 9 - I'd say the E50. It's been out classed by all other tier 9 mediums. Throw in the medium pen nerf and it's a meh tank.

 

The E50's pen was not nerfed. It was 220/270 all along.

 

View PostGeneralBossman, on 17 July 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

 

You'd think they would be more popular considering the historical relevance of the panther (at least the original vk)... And yeah there's nothing glaringly terrible about them.

 

​Casuals just don't know the VK name and gravitate toward the famous, flashy names like "IS-3", "Tiger", and "Panther". And then unicums avoid the latter two because of WG's anti-German bias.

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View Postvonmark_1, on 17 July 2017 - 11:54 AM, said:

The T71 and SP 1C are stat padding tanks for the enemy. I know it the right hands they can do well but 90% of the time they do nothing.

 

The t71 was hit hard by the nerfbat when camp/binocs was removed. I'm glad I played it before the changes, as it was very effective. 

Grinding SP 1c now. Love it, even though I have suffered from lackluster teams and my WR shows it. I get consistently good performance out of it. Nice alpha and camo. Playing it no closer than midrange is key. 



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Yea t1 heavy is a boss! Dude, I never like facing them, unless i'm sniping their side with derpy hezter :trollface: Vk 36 01 have also disagree with your statement, he say you lied. 


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5- really none of the heavies scare me here. No matter what tank I'm in i'm more worried about a leo setting me on fire. Combination of lack of speed/ slow traverse, just makes heavies here very vulnerable. KV1 is by far, IMO, the best of the lot, but I don't especially fear it. Probably because I drive almost nothing but Leo's or the KV1 at 5 :teethhappy:

6- Six is weird for me. A play a lot at it, mostly because almost every nation has a wide variety of tanks that fill a niche very well. 6's that I don't fear at all. Cromwell. excellent speed, excellent rate of fire, good pen, but the alpha :( I am never afraid of them when in my VK28. That goes for most of the meds across the board here. At 6 I usually will take speed/maneuverability and abusing camo over the big guns and armor profiles.  I won't even mention the steaming pile of CGC... or Mr. Nashorn.

7- Emil. Just doesn't phase me for some reason. I do very, very well against them regardless of type of tank. Glass cannon again.

8- Tiger 2. Paper side armor, and most people in pubby matches can't sidescrape worth a ... It's also relatively easy to pen the lower glacis frontally. No, just not worried about it.

8- Centurion. As mentioned, just too easy to pen.

9- 9 is tricky. Speaking in general, more players here are competent because you don't see people buying their way into a 9 as much. However, if I'm in my t54 as opposed to the IS8, E50's don't bother me a whit. Also. The aforementioned IS8. BOOOOOO.

10. FV med. whatever the numeric designation, for the same reason as a Cent.

 

conversely, tanks that immediately grab my attention and make warning lights go on.

 

5) Leo's. Driven competently, they are terrors.

6)KV2. One good RNG and even a total knob can end your match.

7)Draculas. I have a BIG problem with them.

8) IS3. Obviously nuff said. Unless I'm in mine.

9) Bunch of respectable tanks here. The big td's always worry me.

10) TD's. The huge alpha is just bothersome.

 

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View PostMayjaplaya, on 17 July 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

​Casuals just don't know the VK name and gravitate toward the famous, flashy names like "IS-3", "Tiger", and "Panther". And then unicums avoid the latter two because of WG's anti-German bias.

Well that's what I mean, people would want the panther and have to play through the Vk 30.02M, but I never see that tank. 


 

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View Postchristian1470, on 17 July 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

 

The t71 was hit hard by the nerfbat when camp/binocs was removed. I'm glad I played it before the changes, as it was very effective. 

Grinding SP 1c now. Love it, even though I have suffered from lackluster teams and my WR shows it. I get consistently good performance out of it. Nice alpha and camo. Playing it no closer than midrange is key. 

Nobody ran camp/binocs on the T71, or most light tanks. Those equipment don't synergize at all with light tank camo. Most players ran vents, optics, and VStab. I don't know why people keep complaining about the removal of binocs, and then bring up tanks that almost never (and really shouldn't have) used them.

 

If anything, the T71 and other non-French autoloaders got indirect buffs from the equipment change because rammer got nerfed and single-shot tanks can't use vents anymore.

 

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View PostMayjaplaya, on 17 July 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

​Casuals just don't know the VK name and gravitate toward the famous, flashy names like "IS-3", "Tiger", and "Panther". And then unicums avoid the latter two because of WG's anti-German bias.

Well that's what I mean, people would want the panther and have to play through the Vk 30.02M, but I never see that tank. 

 

Maybe it's because grinds aren't very long at tier 6 and you can get to the Panther through the VK30.01D as well.

 

Oh, and you have to grind the horrible VK30.01H to get to the VK30.02M. Now that is a garbage tank I have no fear facing.

 


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View PostMayjaplaya, on 17 July 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

Nobody ran camp/binocs on the T71, or most light tanks. Those equipment don't synergize at all with light tank camo. Most players ran vents, optics, and VStab. I don't know why people keep complaining about the removal of binocs, and then bring up tanks that almost never (and really shouldn't have) used them.

 

I ran Binoc on all my light tanks and found them very effective. 

 

I never bothered with Camo Net though, since light tanks have great camo already, and they can effectively relocate even after getting spotted. 



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I see where the OP is coming from. Not so much if a tank is dangerous in competent hands but is it dangerous with standard player hands......Certain tanks whether driven by a competent player or not are always dangerous (Death Star, KV-2, SU-152 come to mind) if they have a high alpha hitting gun or the ability to do incredible burst damage. While some obscure tanks you have to work under the assumption that the player is pretty good with it, IE: Churchill Gun Carriage (I remember many a player disregarding me in that thing which was a mistake).  With that in mind, here is my Top "dismiss" and top "pay attention to" tanks for Tiers V-X (though I have limited play time in the broad category of tanks at IX and X).

 

Least Feared in a normal Blitz Player's hands:

 

Tier V: I'm with the OP on this one, T1 Heavy or VK 30.01H

Tier VI: Again with the American heavy the M6. Also on the list would be the again the German heavy VK36.01H. 

Tier VII: St. Emil, SP1C, Walker Bulldog

Tier VIII: Pershing (most players don't know how to play this tank) and Centurion I

Tier IX: T54E1

Tier X: T57 or the M60 

 

Tanks I would say are a fear per tier in even a normal player's hands:

 

Tier V: Leopard

Tier VI: KV-2, VK28.01

Tier VII: Dracula, SU-152, lttb

Tier VIII: T-54 ltwt, T-34, T49

TIer IX: St-I, M46 Patton, Waffentrager

Tier X: FV215b 183, Grille, M48 Patton, T-62

 


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View PostMayjaplaya, on 17 July 2017 - 09:04 AM, said:

Nobody ran camp/binocs on the T71, or most light tanks. Those equipment don't synergize at all with light tank camo. Most players ran vents, optics, and VStab. I don't know why people keep complaining about the removal of binocs, and then bring up tanks that almost never (and really shouldn't have) used them.

 

If anything, the T71 and other non-French autoloaders got indirect buffs from the equipment change because rammer got nerfed and single-shot tanks can't use vents anymore.

 

 

Maybe it's because grinds aren't very long at tier 6 and you can get to the Panther through the VK30.01D as well.

 

Oh, and you have to grind the horrible VK30.01H to get to the VK30.02M. Now that is a garbage tank I have no fear facing.

 

 

The 30.01H is probably not as bad as it used to be.  It has low dpm but the Waffe is a really special gun.  

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How is T1 Heavy bad.... One of the best heavy dpm of tier 5, good frontal armor, fast AND it can ram..

 

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View PostSpace_Ape_Marksman, on 17 July 2017 - 10:02 AM, said:

How is T1 Heavy bad.... One of the best heavy dpm of tier 5, good frontal armor, fast AND it can ram..

 

Basically any tank with low alpha, weak sides or is non turreted is a candidate.  

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People be disagreeing with the choices but not offering a replacement/substitute tank.

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View Postrazernaga2014, on 17 July 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

People be disagreeing with the choices but not offering a replacement/substitute tank.

 

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View Postdindincf, on 17 July 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

 

Basically any tank with low alpha, weak sides or is non turreted is a candidate.  

 

not necessarily, DPM yes, low alpha, not quite. We all seem to agree that the Leo can be a terror at tier 5. While high alpha can make it feared, low alpha doesn't necessarily mean the opposite. 

 

I definitely think weak armor makes more of a candidate. 

 

You can't be saying that the ISU-152 or the Jadgtiger are candidates.


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I read this post earlier about the T6. I didn't have it, so I went and bought it. I played 10 games in it just now. I lost 2 of the 10. In my best game I took out 5 reds. That's pretty good for me. This thing is a BEAST! every game I played it full speed ahead till I ran into a red. It bounces everything and sidescrape very well. I'll be playing it ALLOT more. I'm sorry I didn't along time ago.

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View PostMayjaplaya, on 17 July 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

 

The E50's pen was not nerfed. It was 220/270 all along.

 

 

Doh. You're right, but that doesn't change the ranking.



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View Postdindincf, on 17 July 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

 

You should add to the list the:

  1. Leopard1 - no armor
  2. Dragon - no armor
  3. Obj 263 - no turret low alpha
  4. T62a - no gun depression
  5. Maus - slow
  6. Borsig - no armor
  7. M48A1 Patton - Big profile slow for a medium

 

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