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Are you, dear community member, in favor of nerfing the HESH rounds on the FV-215b 183?

  1. Aye (44 votes [39.64%])

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  2. Nay (64 votes [57.66%])

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Molley_OG #21 Posted 31 July 2017 - 01:50 AM

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FV183 is the king of 1k and 5k games. It can be a very frustrating drive when you cant hit anything some games. Also, it recently got an armor nerf and can be HE penned by many tanks now. It's strong but not over powered IMO

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View PostPlayer60, on 30 July 2017 - 09:21 PM, said:

 

if it was implememted back,our entire match would be Reload 10 seconds>>wait oops e100 reload apcr 10 seconds.We only have 7 minutes,this idea is so stupid i dont believe anyone would suggest it

 

7 minutes is plenty of time for most tanks excepting autoloaders, even if you have to reload all the way.

 

I also explained that implementing such mechanic would suggest medium tanks having their penetration buffed, so you aren't going to switch ammo that often, thus time wouldn't be a problem anymore.


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G_O_O_S_E #23 Posted 31 July 2017 - 02:24 AM

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The ammo switch wouldn't be a huge impact, you'd just see people running more full hesh loadouts

Dark_Magician_Girl #24 Posted 31 July 2017 - 02:32 AM

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22 people don't want their OP nuke cannon nerfed.

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RoadKutter #25 Posted 31 July 2017 - 02:35 AM

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View PostPittoors_, on 30 July 2017 - 05:05 PM, said:

 

That mechanic was on Blitz, too.

 

when, I've been playing longer than you and I don't remember it that way ever. I do remember friendly fire though!

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PlagueVendor #26 Posted 31 July 2017 - 02:57 AM

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No nerf! Here's why: Yes, it can sometimes drain over 1000k hp from an enemy red but it doesn't always happen. This all depends on type ammo used, position of the red, location on the tank where the red is hit, etc. I have hit IS tanks and the voice comes out and says "That one bounced". This mostly happens with AP ammo. Hesh is great from a distance and AP up close. The 183's poor gun depression, limited turret mobility and weak armor make it frustrating to drive on occasion. 183 is not designed as a first line brawler and often gets accused of camping. A good TD driver should strive to assist his teammates and move around to get better shot opportunities as the game progresses. 

Tomio_Hara #27 Posted 31 July 2017 - 02:58 AM

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View PostZennosha, on 30 July 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

Stop getting hit.

 

80% of the time the FV is unspotted when it fires and often times across the map. Other 20% is risk taking which is understandable.

View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 30 July 2017 - 08:32 PM, said:

22 people don't want their OP nuke cannon nerfed.

Similar to when I made the Otsu nerf thread years ago. I am surprised by how many people don't want it nerfed despite how obvious it is ruining the gameplay at tier X.


 

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View Postjarredondo040, on 30 July 2017 - 08:57 PM, said:

No nerf! Here's why: Yes, it can sometimes drain over 1000 hp from an enemy red but it doesn't always happen. This all depends on type ammo used, position of the red, location on the tank where the red is hit, etc AP alpha is 940, HESH alpha is 1300. Most people use HESH. I have hit IS tanks and the voice comes out and says "That one bounced" Maybe because IS tanks are the most heavily armored tanks in the game?. This mostly happens with AP ammo. Hesh is great from a distance and AP up close. The 183's poor gun depression, limited turret mobility and weak armor make it frustrating to drive on occasion. 183 is not designed as a first line brawler and often gets accused of camping. A good TD driver should strive to assist his teammates and move around to get better shot opportunities as the game progresses. Agreed with the last half. However there are simply too many of these tanks running around! 1 or 2 every few games is good but when there are at least 2 EVERY game then it's a serious issue. An alternative to nerfing the characteristics of the FV would be making HESH extremely expensive along with repair costs. This would drive many players away or make them choose different tanks at tier X.

 


 

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Pengui472 #29 Posted 31 July 2017 - 03:24 AM

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Im kind annoyed at how much people ask for nerfs. BUT, this is an exception. I like playing my leopard 1, but i do not like playing against 183's in my leopard 1, so there may be some bias in this post.

Before WG nerfed the reticle bloom when turning by a large margin, then they buffed it because the tank was basically unplayable with so much bloom.

 

- I think the reload should be slowed down a little, but not too much

- Penetration on premium HESH should be reduced to somewhere between 180 and 200, because i think a td penning a heavy with a shell that does high explosive damage may be a LITTLE OP

- Regular hesh (90 or so pen i think) is okay

-damage should stay the same on all shells, FV already has bad dpm

- maybe a very slight nerf to turret traverse :/

Edit: i do not do terribly in a leo 1 against 183's, but sometimes it is borderline OP imo, i feel like a slight nerf should be given to it. 


Edited by Pengui472, 31 July 2017 - 03:25 AM.


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View PostRoadKutter, on 30 July 2017 - 10:35 PM, said:

 

when, I've been playing longer than you and I don't remember it that way ever. I do remember friendly fire though!

 

I'm not that old on the game, yes, but I found people on the forums discussing the ammo switch changes, here:

 

http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/69591-mediums-are-being-nerfed-supertested-on-january-4/page__st__80__p__1045635__hl__+ammo%20+switch,%20+reload,%20+t-54#entry1045635

 

Sorry for taking so long, but it took me A LOT of time learning to use the search tool properly.


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View PostG_O_O_S_E, on 30 July 2017 - 10:24 PM, said:

The ammo switch wouldn't be a huge impact, you'd just see people running more full hesh loadouts

 

That would make the tank even less profitable than it already is, to a point a significant amount of people would start to use AP and HE more often to save credits.

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View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 30 July 2017 - 06:35 PM, said:

 

Right, because tanks that can HE a majority of targets at their battle tier for near full rolls will suddenly become underpowered.

 

KV-2, "underpowered." That's hilarious.

 

 

 

Its hilarious that people complain the 183 is overpowered but everyone immediately rushes over to defend some equally overpowered tanks for their respective tiers without a single hesitation. Case in point everyone including WarGaming is bias against the British and secretly throw darts at cups of Earl Grey Tea and pictures of the royal family.

 

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so you dont have the tank.... but want a nerf because you think its overpowered based on your encounters with the 183? Until you get the full experience behind the gun with the included mile long misses and paper armor, please dont start a petition to nerf a tank. 


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View PostTomio_Hara, on 30 July 2017 - 09:58 PM, said:

 

Similar to when I made the Otsu nerf thread years ago. I am surprised by how many people don't want it nerfed despite how obvious it is ruining the gameplay at tier X.

 

The difference between the 183 and Ke-Ni Otsu is that the people paid money to get the Otsu.  In terms of gameplay the Kenny should be severely nerfed.  In terms of principle, it should not, given WG's policy on the balancing of premium tanks.


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View PostPittoors_, on 30 July 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

 

I'm not that old on the game, yes, but I found people on the forums discussing the ammo switch changes, here:

 

http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/69591-mediums-are-being-nerfed-supertested-on-january-4/page__st__80__p__1045635__hl__+ammo%20+switch,%20+reload,%20+t-54#entry1045635

 

Sorry for taking so long, but it took me A LOT of time learning to use the search tool properly.

 

now you should read it, a discussion doesn't mean it was ever a part of Blitz. On Pc you do have to reload when you switch ammo, but on Blitz it would make no sense due to short battles and small maps. The only good switch was having the ammo selector open instead of having to double tap it.....


                         

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View PostEdAWACSdenyY, on 31 July 2017 - 03:45 AM, said:

 

Its hilarious that people complain the 183 is overpowered but everyone immediately rushes over to defend some equally overpowered tanks for their respective tiers without a single hesitation. Case in point everyone including WarGaming is bias against the British and secretly throw darts at cups of Earl Grey Tea and pictures of the royal family.

 

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But the KV2 doesnt ruin (((exaggerated))) gameplay at its tier. Its not very common compared to the FV183

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View PostRoadKutter, on 31 July 2017 - 12:13 AM, said:

 

now you should read it, a discussion doesn't mean it was ever a part of Blitz. On Pc you do have to reload when you switch ammo, but on Blitz it would make no sense due to short battles and small maps. The only good switch was having the ammo selector open instead of having to double tap it.....

 

Do you imply that they are talking about Pc WoT? Not plausible, because there are quotes that clearly refer as something that was there, but got removed/changed. That feature was never removed nor changed on the Pc version, but it did on Blitz. Also, they would have mentioned that they were talking about the Pc version.

 

''Yup, the old days when you had to reload to a different shell type.''

 

''The moment that wargaming allowed players to be able to switch between ammunition without any penalty is the moment when heavy tanks and their armor became obsolete.''

 

''fix the changes you made so long ago''

 

Also, because mediums back then had much higher penetration, they didn't had to use prammo as often so time wasn't the issue.


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Hmm....Let's see here...

Pros: 

- Huge alpha

- Good pen

- Good traverse

 

Cons:

- Paper armor

- Non fully traversable turret

-  B A D terrain resistance, as fast as E100 on flat ground

- As big as an E100; terribad camo

- Terrible accuracy

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I'm sure my tracks have eaten more hesh rounds than I deserved to survive, but dammit all if the only thing I really remember about encounters with a 183 is every time I got full health ammo racked. I'd still rather see the is7 turret and side skirts take a nerf first tho.

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I completely disagree. I have no problem taking these tanks out in my IX Patton, They are slow and have terrible turret rotation speed. I can COD these things in a STOCK MODE PATTON. I do have the gun though. Anyways these things are awesome bringing a better variety to the game other than just heavies. Tank destroyers are called that for a reason, they destroy tanks. The thing is, they give medium tanks a purpose. Like a game of Rock Paper Scissors (obviously a bit more than that, but that's the general idea)

 

Heavies>Mediums

Mediums>Tank Destroyers

Tank Destroyers>Heavies

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If there were no high damage tanks heavies would have nothing to fear on the battlefield. I like it better this way







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