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Gun QF 6-pdr 8 cwt Mk. II (Medium I): HE rounds never penetrate

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Xavier5A #1 Posted 05 December 2014 - 01:37 AM

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This gun's HE rounds have 29mm of pen, but simply are unable to pen another Medium I.

 

I am sure this is the case as I thought it'd be funny to two-shot the enemy when they were expecting a pew-pew gun. Result? Their pew-pew gun (Gun 15 mm Machine Gun BESA) penetrated every time with only 25mm of penetration and I died even if I got off three high explosive rounds.


 

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Meows_really_heckin #2 Posted 05 December 2014 - 01:50 AM

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Well the 6pdr fires less than the 15mm so it seems to pen less. While the 15mm just sprays shots everywhere so it looks like it pens more often.

 

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Edited by SkittlesOfSteel, 05 December 2014 - 02:54 AM.

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Xavier5A #3 Posted 05 December 2014 - 02:17 AM

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View PostSkittlesOfSteel, on 05 December 2014 - 01:50 AM, said:

Well the 2pdr fires less than the 15mm so it seems to pen less. While the 15mm just sprays shots everywhere so it looks like it pens more often.

 

The HE round is suppose to average 120 damage. The Medium I has 200 hit points. I tried several times to pen a Medium I and never had more than 30 damage from that round. In fact I even fired four shots at a single Medium I and it was still over 100 hit points.

 

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Xavier5A #4 Posted 05 December 2014 - 02:20 AM

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View PostSkittlesOfSteel, on 05 December 2014 - 01:50 AM, said:

Well the 2pdr fires less than the 15mm so it seems to pen less. While the 15mm just sprays shots everywhere so it looks like it pens more often.

 

Secondly, you are looking at the Cruiser III's Gun QF 2-pdr Mk. IX. I am talking about the Medium I's Gun QF 6-pdr cwt Mk. II. At least talk about the same tank as I am.

 

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Xavier5A #5 Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:09 AM

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Ok seriously. The gun I'm referring to here is a "derp gun" it's high-alpha should match the DPM of the pew-pew easily. Quitely simply I've never seen it do anywhere near the average damage. Again, it actually has better pen with HE round than the pew-pew does with AP rounds.

 

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Xavier5A #6 Posted 06 December 2014 - 09:29 PM

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HHHmmm... the HE rounds seem to be working now. Though, in the last match I had 10 penetrations and only 550 damage. :/

 

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almaniac #7 Posted 13 December 2014 - 04:53 PM

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Not trying to be snarky, but this doesn't surprise me;  HE shells in WOT are notoriously unreliable, so if you played the PC version (maybe you do) you'd see the same thing with all the DERP guns.  Sometimes you just get a rotten streak of luck with them.

 

I actually tried running the Medium 1 with that gun and HE in WOT and gave it up for a bad cause for exactly the same reason.



Xavier5A #8 Posted 31 December 2014 - 11:49 PM

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After looking at this more, the problem seems more to be that "penetration" is not a binary operation for HE rounds. It seems to work more like a percentage, so if you do any damage at all it counts on the result screen as a penetration, regardless if it actually went into the tank or not.

 

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Fallenworld #9 Posted 02 January 2015 - 09:06 PM

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A round penetrates the tank if it deals some form of damage, regardless of whether it is to the tracks and ricochets off the hull (which often gets critical hit messages), it is detonated on the armor and the HE damage bleeds through, or if it goes in and deals full damage. HE rounds have the annoying tendency to not fully penetrate even when they should, resulting in low actual damage dealt. I don't know what the problem with the 6lbr is, since I had the same issue with it not dealing its full damage even when it should.





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