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Dark_Magician_Girl #1 Posted 04 October 2017 - 05:58 PM

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Hi everyone, with tier 8 being largely biased towards heavy tanks, I thought I would do a ranking list similar to the tier 9 heavy list, found below.

 http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/84086-a-challenger-approaches-post-update-41-best-tier-9-heavy/page__fromsearch__1

 

I will provide my own thoughts on the "best" tier 9 heavy tanks and I apologize in advance if your favorite tier 9 heavy is at the bottom of the list. This is purely my opinion, and you are free to put in your input.  Hope you enjoy!

 

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Apple_Pen #2 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:11 PM

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KPZ is the best tier 8 heavy... Dunno why they put it in 9.

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MayoNasalSpray #3 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:14 PM

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I would say swap the T32 and Caernarvon's positions.

CryptOh #4 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:19 PM

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I'm only at tier 7 right now but I'm a little surprised the IS-5 is that "bad". I've been looking forward to getting it once I get my supply.
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_Cletus #5 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:24 PM

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I've been working on tier 8 heavies, this is a very helpful post, thanks much.  I've been working on the AMX 50 100, which has been really difficult but I'm finally starting to get the hang of the autoloader, it's been okay for me the past couple of days.  I also bought for the second time the IS-3, I sucked with it the first time I got it, I didn't like the slow reload, but now that I've improved I'm doing much better with it.  I would like to get the IS-6, but I'm cheap.  I almost have enough gold for the IS-5 so I think I might try to buy it before I quit my crappy clan.  Anyway, mucho gracias.

 

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Barny227 #6 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:31 PM

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Pretty spot on.  Seeing all this Caernarvon talk really makes me think I need to cut a ticket and get it back.  I must not be right in the head because I did like the 45.02A. I played it second line and people kind of ignored me in it.



cheasesteak #7 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:32 PM

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View PostGableHawk, on 04 October 2017 - 06:19 PM, said:

I'm only at tier 7 right now but I'm a little surprised the IS-5 is that "bad". I've been looking forward to getting it once I get my supply.

 

​Based on the stats on compare tanks, it doesn't seem to be all that different from the other IS-spam tanks in gun handling.  There may be some soft stats, who knows?  I haven't driven mine yet (still waiting for spares).

CryptOh #8 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:35 PM

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View PostBarny227, on 04 October 2017 - 12:31 PM, said:

Pretty spot on.  Seeing all this Caernarvon talk really makes me think I need to cut a ticket and get it back.  I must not be right in the head because I did like the 45.02A. I played it second line and people kind of ignored me in it.

Yeah I need to get the Churchill I first. LOL

 

I currently have the Matilda maxed out but the dang thing was soooo slow i stopped and haven't progressed as I think I read a comment that the Churchill I is even SLOWER.


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_Verstappen #9 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:35 PM

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Is-6 [edited]. That thing is trash now. Garbage pen and switching to the heat gun gives it the worst 400 alpha dpm in tier 8. Far cry from what it once was

 


_Sterben_ #10 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:36 PM

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Posit1ve_ #11 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:39 PM

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I'd swap IS-6 and IS-3; 

 

IS-3 is the tank IS-6 wants to be. Much more reliable turret, and even though the IS-6 does have better DPM, the DPM advantage becomes almost toally negated once you dab the 2 key. And you get lower alpha when you do so. IS-3 on the other hand has better pen on the standard AP rounds (even before the normalization advantage, which effectively gives it ~10mm extra penetration on top of the nominal difference with the IS-6's APCR) than the IS-6's APCR rounds. 175mm of penetration with the gun handling of the IS-6 just does not cut it anymore at tier 8. 175mm pen is considered bad, even for a tier VIII med with good gun handling that can snap in shots at weakspots. On a Soviet heavy with crap gun handling? Have a blast bro.

 

Furthermore, IS-3's good dispersion value lets it connect it's shots more reliably, and in terms of mobility, it's not even close. IS-3 due to superior terrain resistance is just so much faster, and thus more flexible than IS-6, on top of a higher speed limit and higher traverse. Also, IS-3 reverse sidescrapes like a BOSS but IS-6 has difficulty doing so due to the sloping "cheeks" on the front and rear of the tank. 

 

The only real advantage IS-6 has over IS-3 is that one measly degree of gun depression, which isn't enough to offset all of those major advantages IS-3 has


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_CH3F #12 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:40 PM

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Jag 8.8 since  buff is like playing the jagtiger. It is a complete beast. 

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_CH3F #13 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:42 PM

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View PostGableHawk, on 04 October 2017 - 06:19 PM, said:

I'm only at tier 7 right now but I'm a little surprised the IS-5 is that "bad". I've been looking forward to getting it once I get my supply.

 

it's not that bad. If played correctly it's pretty good. 

SoccerDragon10 #14 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:44 PM

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Remember the defender was a grind tank, a long one but still a grind tank. It also is no longer the monster it was. Is it a good tank and fun to play?...yes. But the nerf to pen, reload,and especially the aim time increase dropped it out of the "purple" category. Additionally, the cheaper-per-shell prammo means you get penetrated a lot more.  All these drop it to the "fun to play" category IMO

Tomio_Hara #15 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:48 PM

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Nice. I agree with the list for the most part. 

 

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Posit1ve_ #16 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:53 PM

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Also, I personally rather dislike the Caernarvon.

 

It's a heavy tank that tries to be a med, but fails rather spectacularly at both. Unlike the Centurion 1, Caernarvon has a difficult time keeping that 20pdr firing because it's still a heavy, and capped out 34km/h at that, and is overall slower than the IS-3. And 190 alpha is terribad for tier 8. Period. It's the worst in tier, and again, keeping the gun firing is exceptionally difficult since Caern does not have medium tank mobility to quickly relocate to a favorable position, nor does it have the armor to put itself in the center of the fight

 

The armor, despite prammo nerfs, is STILL a joke. The forehead is huge, and only 100mm effective vs. AP, so even if Caern were sitll facing tier VI's, tier VI meds and lights would punch through it pretty easily, and the upper plate, while not horrible, is still only ~220mm thick vs. AP, so tier VIII heavies and TDs can punch through with standard rounds, and if they load gold, they'll get through it no problem. And that's not to mention the lower plate, which is pretty big and leads to dead drivers and ammo racks, or the turret ring, which is also thin, and results in jammed turrets and broken ammoracks. And I don't think I even need to get into how bad the sides and rear are

 

Realistically, unless they get unlucky and hit the mantlet, the Caern is going to get penetrated by every shot, especially since it can't even sidescrape.

 

I'd personally put a tank like T32 over the Caern, since T32 brings the alpha, and the armor, while retaining the mobility and gun depression. Sure the DPM drops some, but it's easily compensated for by the fact that T32 can remain at the center of the fight and fully utilize the DPM while Caernarvon can't.

 

 


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Posit1ve_ #17 Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:57 PM

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View Post_CH3F, on 04 October 2017 - 01:42 PM, said:

 

it's not that bad. If played correctly it's pretty good. 

 

I fully agree with DMG on this one.

 

It's bad because even if played correctly, the gun will screw you over. It has the worst overall gun handling/aim time/Dispersion combination of all tier 8 heavies, so when you take a shot, you're just praying to RNGsus that you actually hit the enemy tank at all and not the ground. And when facing enemies you can't reliably penetrate, like tier 8 and 9 heavies frontally, or the turret of most tanks, it's like lol good luck when you're trying to hit a weakspot.

 

Mobility isn't great, but it's not terrible, so honestly, all IS-5 really has to try and compensate for that horrid gun is the armor, which while good, isn't standout enough to compensate for the horrid gun, and is only good enough to allow you some time to aim at a target before he can aim at your weakspots and pen you back.


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Posit1ve_ #18 Posted 04 October 2017 - 07:02 PM

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Other than the 2 beefs I posted above, I think the list is more or less accurate.

 

If you're too lazy to read my above posts:

Swap IS-6 and IS-3, and Swap Caern and T32


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Herodotus4 #19 Posted 04 October 2017 - 07:03 PM

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View PostPosit1ve_, on 04 October 2017 - 01:53 PM, said:

Also, I personally rather dislike the Caernarvon.

 

It's a heavy tank that tries to be a med, but fails rather spectacularly at both. Unlike the Centurion 1, Caernarvon has a difficult time keeping that 20pdr firing because it's still a heavy, and capped out 34km/h at that, and is overall slower than the IS-3. And 190 alpha is terribad for tier 8. Period. It's the worst in tier, and again, keeping the gun firing is exceptionally difficult since Caern does not have medium tank mobility to quickly relocate to a favorable position, nor does it have the armor to put itself in the center of the fight

 

The armor, despite prammo nerfs, is STILL a joke. The forehead is huge, and only 100mm effective vs. AP, so even if Caern were sitll facing tier VI's, tier VI meds and lights would punch through it pretty easily, and the upper plate, while not horrible, is still only ~220mm thick vs. AP, so tier VIII heavies and TDs can punch through with standard rounds, and if they load gold, they'll get through it no problem. And that's not to mention the lower plate, which is pretty big and leads to dead drivers and ammo racks, or the turret ring, which is also thin, and results in jammed turrets and broken ammoracks. And I don't think I even need to get into how bad the sides and rear are

 

Realistically, unless they get unlucky and hit the mantlet, the Caern is going to get penetrated by every shot, especially since it can't even sidescrape.

 

I'd personally put a tank like T32 over the Caern, since T32 brings the alpha, and the armor, while retaining the mobility and gun depression. Sure the DPM drops some, but it's easily compensated for by the fact that T32 can remain at the center of the fight and fully utilize the DPM while Caernarvon can't.

 

 

The T32's gun sucks though, below average alpha, below average pen, pretty much average accuracy, barely average dpm. The gun get's saved by the fact that in the right position you just can't hurt it.


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IMO the Carny need to be on an even higher level ;)

 

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