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[Dark_Magician_Girl]

Hi everyone, I'm back at it again with a rankings list of tier 8 TD's!  Tier 8 TD's are a very diverse set of vehicles in that they are the case of both extremes: some are exquisite, but the rest are poo with very little room between these 2 extremes.  As always, I will provide my own thoughts on the "best" tier 8 TD and I apologize in advance if your favorite is at the bottom of the list. This is purely my opinion, and you are free to provide your input.  Hope you enjoy!

 

*Note: Reviews are done in the style of WoTLabs.  

 

What do you think is the best tier 8 TD?  Let me know!

 

Spoiler

 Full Potato Division

 

T28 - This steaming pile of fresh horse dung can't do anything effectively.  Too slow to get anywhere in a timely manner, terrible gun arc which further compounds the poor mobility, and armor that is only strong on the front.  The sides are HE-able and the butt is so weak you can play your mix tape near it and most likely cause a fire.  Remember 50 100 addicts, your tank got nerfed just so this turd wouldn't die so quickly.

 

AMX AC mle. 48 - The French TD's are generally underwhelming, and the tier 8 variant does not disappoint in disappointing the driver.  Sloped armor that can be penned easily with standard rounds and buttered with gold make this tank unviable.  But why would they do that when they can shoot the large tumor on the top of your tank?  With a larger profile than the T28, the sides and rear are just as HE-able.  The only reason why this is above the T28 is the mobility, which is pretty decent.  The mediocre weaponry is an extra kick to the groin.  You will regret this purchase.

 

AT-15 - Slow with a cupola that is hard to hide make it difficult to utilize the fantastic DPM given to this vehicle.  While it has great gun arc to help it poor out damage in certain situations, the good parts about this vehicle cease to exist.  Overall, another terribly mediocre tank.

 

T28 Proto - A turd with a turret is still just a turd.  The turret is the only redeeming factor about this vehicle compared to other tier 8 TD's.  However, it is extremely tall, easy to HE from the rear, and the sides are long enough for you to easily poor out DPM.  The weapon is like the T28's which is decent, but the cheeks on the turret are terrible and the tank retains its slug like mobility.

 

Play For Fun Division

 

SU-101 - Who knew a lack of depression would make anyone feel so unhappy.  The tank has decent mobility, a tier X weapon with above average DPM, and slightly troll armor that will pull off the occasional bounce.  For all this, the lack of the ability to manufacture shots kills the effectiveness of the SU and prevents it from being higher on this list.

 

RHM Borsig Waffentrager - Pre 4.2, this vehicle would have been at the top of my list, without any doubt.  However, the invisible death machine is no longer the terror it used to be.  While it maintains the great camo and nasty boom, the gun has been significantly nerfed in most other aspects, making the tank sometimes more of a pain to drive than a fun, silent nuke machine.

 

Ferdinand - The Tiger P chassis was already questionable at tier 7.  What do you think happens when you move it to tier 8?  The Ferdinand is the armored behemoth of a TD that fails at adequately protecting itself.  The hull is a fairly easy shot if you aim and the superstructure can be penetrated with high penetration gold rounds.  At least the alpha, DPM, and all other gun characteristics are strong.

 

Stat Padder Division

 

Jg 8.8 cm - If a 8.8 cm uses a 10.5cm, is it still an 8.8 cm?  According to WG, apparently so.  However, the new weapon and changes to premium ammo have both helped the Jag become a much better vehicle.  With DPM that burns down its peers and armor that can reliably bounce most tanks at same tier and nearly everything the tier below the 8.8 has become a true mini Jagdtiger instead of being the ugly red-headed step-child.  While neither the 105 or 88 has the same boom as the 120 on the big Jagdtiger, this vehicle is a decent representation of what it would be like to drive a Jagdtiger under +2/-2... circumstances that are similar to a T54 mod. 1.

 

ISU-152 - The original nasty dog of tier 8, the ISU 152 carries the infamous BL-10 that will punch holes through opponents with ease.  Having massive 640 alpha at tier 8 coupled with penetration that is arguably overkill for it's tier, the ISU's weaponry is top notch compared to anything it will see, even when up-tiered.  The camo is good, allowing the ISU to dawn a true sniper role.  The reason why the tank is not higher is because the gun can troll at times, which is a very negative trait for a TD.  More importantly, the armor profile is weak, and the shape of the vehicle is boxy which means your upper corners will got shot by people who you cannot shoot in return (I'm sure we have all seen this scenario at some point).

 

Purple Division

 

Jagdpanther 2 - Lord have mercy!  This is the pinnacle of tier 8 tank destroyer.  Sure, it sacrifices some penetration compared to the ISU, but 246 on your standard rounds is still going through almost anything you see same tier and even up tier.  The DPM is so marginally less it doesn't even make a noticeable difference.  What makes the JP2 a better pick than the ISU is firstly that the gun handling is noticeably better.  A more consistent TD is a better TD.  Shots that would donk in the ISU do not donk in the JP2.  Second, the mobility is so much better than the ISU and you can even be aggressive and chase mediums!  You have speed and the traverse to keep up!  Lastly, the JP2 has above average gun depression at -7 and it can be utilized very well with a sloped superstructure that is a difficult penetration for any tier 8, even those using gold rounds.  The JP2 is the best tier 8 TD because it harnesses the best characteristics of vehicles like the SU-101, ISU-152, and Ferdinand and rolls into a single fantastic package.

 

[Rayray4141]

Dark_Magician_Girl, on 15 October 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

 Full Potato Division

 

T28 - This steaming pile of fresh horse dung can't do anything effectively.  Too slow to get anywhere in a timely manner, terrible gun arc which further compounds the poor mobility, and armor that is only strong on the front.  The sides are HE-able and the butt is so weak you can play your mix tape near it and most likely cause a fire.  Remember 50 100 addicts, your tank got nerfed just so this turd wouldn't die so quickly.

 

A little too harsh on the T28 eh?

Never played it but the dpm is good on it

Edited by Rayray4141, 15 October 2017 - 03:22 PM.

[Rockracer]

anything but the SU-101

 

And oddly enough thats also the TD that's most fun.

If I had to bet on anything, would be the T28 Proto.

[woof_defender]

I would definelty say that the t28 should be ranked higher. I played the tank about a month ago and I had an awesome time with it. It’s meant as a breakthrough tank, so if you can watch your mini map, and watch for flankers from a mile away, you can focus on just rolling forward and putting shot after shot into your enemies. It’s hilarious when you roll in front of the enemy heavies and they start pinging off your armor because you have to play aggressive in this tank. Don’t snipe or sit still. Keep moving forward and wiggle. But don’t suicide into your enemy(obviously). Anyways, this is all my opinion.

[Blartch]

JT88 >>> JP2, IMO.  I had too much trouble getting the poor-depressing/slewing gun to behave on the JP... it would just troll and troll and troll and troll.  These were troubles that I didn't have with the even more poor-depressing SU-101 due to its smaller, more mobile platform.  Heck, I even loved the JT88 with its 88, because permatracking is love.  Armor is pretty darned good for tier 8 (unlike tier 9 JT), traverse is workable (especially with crew skills and equipment), and who needs pen when you can snipe everyone's cupolas from across the map?

 

SU-101 deserves to be higher.  It isn't a TD, it's a turretless medium, and like many Russians, works best when brain is removed.  Just sit in a bush and snipe, or drive up into faces and DPM.  Pulls off the Triangle of Death well.  This little guy was exceptionally easy to win with, not sure what everyone's problem with it is.

 

Completely agree on the T28 Proto (to this date, the only tank I ever FreeXP'd through the final grind) and AC48 (totally unworkable low DPM).  On AC48... I tried my much-improved best with this thing and it's still my 2nd lowest TD-8 average damage, below most tier 7 anythings.  Just horrible.

 

Edited by Blartch, 15 October 2017 - 03:43 PM.

[smalljamalkamal]

JP2 might be my favorite tank in the game, for everything DMG said. Its speed and traverse make it incredibly versatile - it can snipe, brawl, and the upper hull can be very bouncy when angled properly. The traverse also allows it to snap-shot very effectively with practice - which, while not exactly a peek-a-boom style, can allow for very effective fighting in towns/close quarters. Fantastic tank.

[NinjasInPajamas]

Dark_Magician_Girl, on 15 October 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

Hi everyone, I'm back at it again with a rankings list of tier 8 TD's!  Tier 8 TD's are a very diverse set of vehicles in that they are the case of both extremes: some are exquisite, but the rest are poo with very little room between these 2 extremes.  As always, I will provide my own thoughts on the "best" tier 8 TD and I apologize in advance if your favorite is at the bottom of the list. This is purely my opinion, and you are free to provide your input.  Hope you enjoy!

 

*Note: Reviews are done in the style of WoTLabs.  

 

What do you think is the best tier 8 TD?  Let me know!

 

Spoiler

 Full Potato Division

 

T28 - This steaming pile of fresh horse dung can't do anything effectively.  Too slow to get anywhere in a timely manner, terrible gun arc which further compounds the poor mobility, and armor that is only strong on the front.  The sides are HE-able and the butt is so weak you can play your mix tape near it and most likely cause a fire.  Remember 50 100 addicts, your tank got nerfed just so this turd wouldn't die so quickly.

 

AMX AC mle. 48 - The French TD's are generally underwhelming, and the tier 8 variant does not disappoint in disappointing the driver.  Sloped armor that can be penned easily with standard rounds and buttered with gold make this tank unviable.  But why would they do that when they can shoot the large tumor on the top of your tank?  With a larger profile than the T28, the sides and rear are just as HE-able.  The only reason why this is above the T28 is the mobility, which is pretty decent.  The mediocre weaponry is an extra kick to the groin.  You will regret this purchase.

 

AT-15 - Slow with a cupola that is hard to hide make it difficult to utilize the fantastic DPM given to this vehicle.  While it has great gun arc to help it poor out damage in certain situations, the good parts about this vehicle cease to exist.  Overall, another terribly mediocre tank.

 

T28 Proto - A turd with a turret is still just a turd.  The turret is the only redeeming factor about this vehicle compared to other tier 8 TD's.  However, it is extremely tall, easy to HE from the rear, and the sides are long enough for you to easily poor out DPM.  The weapon is like the T28's which is decent, but the cheeks on the turret are terrible and the tank retains its slug like mobility.

 

Play For Fun Division

 

SU-101 - Who knew a lack of depression would make anyone feel so unhappy.  The tank has decent mobility, a tier X weapon with above average DPM, and slightly troll armor that will pull off the occasional bounce.  For all this, the lack of the ability to manufacture shots kills the effectiveness of the SU and prevents it from being higher on this list.

 

RHM Borsig Waffentrager - Pre 4.2, this vehicle would have been at the top of my list, without any doubt.  However, the invisible death machine is no longer the terror it used to be.  While it maintains the great camo and nasty boom, the gun has been significantly nerfed in most other aspects, making the tank sometimes more of a pain to drive than a fun, silent nuke machine.

 

Ferdinand - The Tiger P chassis was already questionable at tier 7.  What do you think happens when you move it to tier 8?  The Ferdinand is the armored behemoth of a TD that fails at adequately protecting itself.  The hull is a fairly easy shot if you aim and the superstructure can be penetrated with high penetration gold rounds.  At least the alpha, DPM, and all other gun characteristics are strong.

 

Stat Padder Division

 

Jg 8.8 cm - If a 8.8 cm uses a 10.5cm, is it still an 8.8 cm?  According to WG, apparently so.  However, the new weapon and changes to premium ammo have both helped the Jag become a much better vehicle.  With DPM that burns down its peers and armor that can reliably bounce most tanks at same tier and nearly everything the tier below the 8.8 has become a true mini Jagdtiger instead of being the ugly red-headed step-child.  While neither the 105 or 88 has the same boom as the 120 on the big Jagdtiger, this vehicle is a decent representation of what it would be like to drive a Jagdtiger under +2/-2... circumstances that are similar to a T54 mod. 1.

 

ISU-152 - The original nasty dog of tier 8, the ISU 152 carries the infamous BL-10 that will punch holes through opponents with ease.  Having massive 640 alpha at tier 8 coupled with penetration that is arguably overkill for it's tier, the ISU's weaponry is top notch compared to anything it will see, even when up-tiered.  The camo is good, allowing the ISU to dawn a true sniper role.  The reason why the tank is not higher is because the gun can troll at times, which is a very negative trait for a TD.  More importantly, the armor profile is weak, and the shape of the vehicle is boxy which means your upper corners will got shot by people who you cannot shoot in return (I'm sure we have all seen this scenario at some point).

 

Purple Division

 

Jagdpanther 2 - Lord have mercy!  This is the pinnacle of tier 8 tank destroyer.  Sure, it sacrifices some penetration compared to the ISU, but 246 on your standard rounds is still going through almost anything you see same tier and even up tier.  The DPM is so marginally less it doesn't even make a noticeable difference.  What makes the JP2 a better pick than the ISU is firstly that the gun handling is noticeably better.  A more consistent TD is a better TD.  Shots that would donk in the ISU do not donk in the JP2.  Second, the mobility is so much better than the ISU and you can even be aggressive and chase mediums!  You have speed and the traverse to keep up!  Lastly, the JP2 has above average gun depression at -7 and it can be utilized very well with a sloped superstructure that is a difficult penetration for any tier 8, even those using gold rounds.  The JP2 is the best tier 8 TD because it harnesses the best characteristics of vehicles like the SU-101, ISU-152, and Ferdinand and rolls into a single fantastic package.

 

 

​Nope nope Not doing this

[Chariot_Solace]

This is a good list. I'm surprised at how high the Ferdy is though. They always seem really easy to deal with. On the other hand, SU101s and T28s in the hands of a good driver, can sometimes be a pain. I've bounced countless gold rounds off the front of T28s, lower plate and cupola, but it depends on what I'm driving. Lowe? No pen problems at all. Premium IS#? Prepare to bounce a lot unless you can get around it. Same on the SU101 but only against good drivers who get in good positions and have their wiggling technique down to a t. In lesser hands, yes they are quite easy to kill.

Edited by Chariot_Solace, 15 October 2017 - 03:56 PM.

[Blartch]

Chariot_Solace, on 15 October 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

This is a good list. I'm surprised at how high the Ferdy is though. They always seem really easy to deal with. 

 

Ferd is the JT of tier 8... outstanding gun hampered by a not-enough-armored hull

[michaeltsoon]

In each "Division", are tanks ranked from top to bottom by effectiveness? (e.g. SU-101 according to your charts, is worse off than the Borsig)
 

[Forgotten_Fox]

Im a little disappointed at how low the AT-15 ranked... the type B barrel makes it a DPM Monster, and it sports enough armor to rival that of the Ferdinand.

[ExposedPanties]

You dare under rank stalin's railgun the isu152? *gasp* I'm.Disgust.ed.

*cringe*

[_GraceToo]

OK I just traded in the Conqueror for a JP II to see what it's all about.  Thanks for the fine work as always DMG.

[wannabeunicum]

Blartch, on 15 October 2017 - 03:34 PM, said:

JT88 >>> JP2, IMO.  I had too much trouble getting the poor-depressing/slewing gun to behave on the JP... it would just troll and troll and troll and troll.  These were troubles that I didn't have with the even more poor-depressing SU-101 due to its smaller, more mobile platform.  Heck, I even loved the JT88 with its 88, because permatracking is love.  Armor is pretty darned good for tier 8 (unlike tier 9 JT), traverse is workable (especially with crew skills and equipment), and who needs pen when you can snipe everyone's cupolas from across the map?

 

SU-101 deserves to be higher.  It isn't a TD, it's a turretless medium, and like many Russians, works best when brain is removed.  Just sit in a bush and snipe, or drive up into faces and DPM.  Pulls off the Triangle of Death well.  This little guy was exceptionally easy to win with, not sure what everyone's problem with it is.

 

Completely agree on the T28 Proto (to this date, the only tank I ever FreeXP'd through the final grind) and AC48 (totally unworkable low DPM).  On AC48... I tried my much-improved best with this thing and it's still my 2nd lowest TD-8 average damage, below most tier 7 anythings.  Just horrible.

 

 

su101 has pretty mediocore dpm?

5 rpm at 420 isn't that special. 

[DanAnsomeHansome]

Another nice write up! How about doing some YouTube videos?

 

[Dark_Magician_Girl]

DanAnsomeHansome, on 15 October 2017 - 11:38 AM, said:

Another nice write up! How about doing some YouTube videos?

 

 

I try recording things but the files seem too big when I try to upload to discord.  Seems like a lot of hassle and I feel like it might lag the game.

[Dark_Magician_Girl]

michaeltsoon, on 15 October 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

In each "Division", are tanks ranked from top to bottom by effectiveness? (e.g. SU-101 according to your charts, is worse off than the Borsig)
 

 

That is correct.

[Dark_Magician_Girl]

smalljamalkamal, on 15 October 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

JP2 might be my favorite tank in the game, for everything DMG said. Its speed and traverse make it incredibly versatile - it can snipe, brawl, and the upper hull can be very bouncy when angled properly. The traverse also allows it to snap-shot very effectively with practice - which, while not exactly a peek-a-boom style, can allow for very effective fighting in towns/close quarters. Fantastic tank.

 

Yes, and you have more alpha than that of heavy tanks!  Pretty nasty!

[king_tiger637]

*WARNING! BAD GRAMMER UP AHEAD! TURN AWAY NOW! *  You dare say at 15 is bad?-10 gd, with arch making it armor even more stronger when using hill,  the armor is already strong, the tank is DPM, which is among the best, with angles making it armor one hard tank to pen, play it at mid range and see how many bounce you get. 

 

 

[Triode757]

king_tiger637, on 15 October 2017 - 10:05 AM, said:

*WARNING! BAD GRAMMER UP AHEAD! TURN AWAY NOW! *  You dare say at 15 is bad?-10 gd, with arch making it armor even more stronger when using hill,  the armor is already strong, the tank is DPM, which is among the best, with angles making it armor one hard tank to pen, play it at mid range and see how many bounce you get. 

 

 

'BAD GRAMMER.'

No sche1sse, man.