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[AmmorackedIS7]

I wholeheartedly disagree with the placement of the AT 15. You can't knock a tank because it takes a brain to manage its weakspots and use its strengths correctly. Just my opinion. Not to mention if you put two of these things in a platoon you're packing nearly 7,000 DPM at tier 8, and the capability of permatracking someone with two repair kits. You can do this alone with well timed adrenaline. It's a monster on the field if you manage it correctly.

Edited by AmmorackedIS7, 17 October 2017 - 08:28 PM.

[AmmorackedIS7]

BakalovBoy, on 16 October 2017 - 10:09 PM, said:

Woah I like the straight up honesty in each description though. . Very interesting to see the strengths and weaknesses of each tank.


Say... have we met in game ? I think I recognize your username...

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Although now thinking about it, I disagree with the Jagpanther 2 and think it should be down one. Theoretically it’s a great tank if given the fact that you have someone to hide that front plate behind and it’s on flat ground level and that the reds are actually on the same side of the map with the perfect cover. For some reason  Every time I see a JP2, it’s such a meme-able tank because it’s so friggin big but st the same time it moves fairly quickly and 95% of all of the JP2s I’ve seen literally yolo charge  

 

There's a reason it's in the stat padding division. You can't play like a complete potato and stat pad with a few tanks, but if you play them to their strengths, they're monstrous. All it takes is minuscule map knowledge and any half decent playercan exploit the strengths of the JP2. Also... "Someone to hide that front plate"? Why do you need to use someone else for that? Just use any traditional hull down spot and you're golden. Using an ally wouldn't be a great idea because well.. they move. You don't exactly want your cover to move out from in front of you, do you? 

Edited by AmmorackedIS7, 17 October 2017 - 08:34 PM.

[BakalovBoy]

AmmorackedIS7, on 17 October 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

 

There's a reason it's in the stat padding division. You can't play like a complete potato and stat pad with a few tanks, but if you play them to their strengths, they're monstrous. All it takes is minuscule map knowledge and any half decent playercan exploit the strengths of the JP2. Also... "Someone to hide that front plate"? Why do you need to use someone else for that? Just use any traditional hull down spot and you're golden. Using an ally wouldn't be a great idea because well.. they move. You don't exactly want your cover to move out from in front of you, do you? 

 

Yep just now realized that I made a typo. I meant without a doubt to say “something” instead of “someone”.

[SIR_KillsAlot200]

Agree with everything

[SanguinaryDan]

Not so sure about some of these.  Particularly the praising of the Panthers.  Regardless, a very interesting read.

[dindincf]

I do not own the defender but it has -7 degrees of gun depression compared to the -5 degrees on the IS-3.  Shouldn't this alone make it more competitive than the IS3?

 

 

[_Crusader6_]

Posit1ve_, on 17 October 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

 

IS-3 is the best IS clone

It's fast, accurate, has excellent pen, and a solid turret.

 

IS-5 is slower, and has ridiculously terrible accuracy

IS-6 is also slower, is a little less accurate, but more importantly, is easy to penetrate through the turret

 

Solid turret - but for the massive hatch designed to let reds smash you...

 

IS-5 is faster than IS-3 

IS-6 has better armor profile

IS-3 Defender has Gun depression and the autoloader (for Good and bad) 

 

Honestly dude, The IS-3 is the least worrisome of the IS-X’s IMHO 

   I mean Everyone but the tier 7 accidentally put in 8 IS-2H

[conjay810]

Blartch, on 17 October 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

Just a few issues.  Namely, most of them.

 

Centurion > Pershing.  Both are slow mediums with a tough turret.  The Cent can actually reliably penetrate stuff with AP and thus has useable DPM.

 

SU-101 isn't horrible (move to PFF division).  Arm it with the D54 100mm and rip things up.

 

AMX 13 90 is a freaking ninja assassin of death and has my highest tier 8 light win rate.  Try again.

 

The T49 was iffy to begin with, but the gun has moved from mostly unreliable to extremely unreliable with removal of 2/3 of the fun.  It's pokey for a light tank as well.  Potato.

 

Caernarvon isn't what it used to be... it's fifty times better.  Who needs alpha when you can snipe cupolas across the map all game long?

I didn't find the IS-2ich the least bit fun

 

The VK 45.02A is an awesome medium

 

KV-4's time has more than passed... like a KV-5 without any of the fun

 

JT88 was rip-roarious perma-tracking joy even before its unnecessary but welcomed 10.5 gun addition

 

True. I haven't played the vast majority of the tanks on the list, so this list is pretty unreliable.

I have a higher winrate in my T110E5 than in my IS-7 - is it a better tank? I think you should give a bit more justification for the 13 90.

 

I will put in the T34 right now.

[conjay810]

AmmorackedIS7, on 17 October 2017 - 08:24 PM, said:

I wholeheartedly disagree with the placement of the AT 15. You can't knock a tank because it takes a brain to manage its weakspots and use its strengths correctly. Just my opinion. Not to mention if you put two of these things in a platoon you're packing nearly 7,000 DPM at tier 8, and the capability of permatracking someone with two repair kits. You can do this alone with well timed adrenaline. It's a monster on the field if you manage it correctly.

 

I would agree with the 'management of weakspots' line if the tank had a weakspot anywhere other than the gun mantlet, which is literal center of mass and is necessarily exposed every time you fire, is penetrable by every tank in tier, and damages your crew and gun when hit. 7k DPM sounds nice (though it isn't all that special actually, see the 1-tier-higher Jagdtiger having 4k singlehandedly with 4x the alpha and far better gun stats), but there are very few engagements where people actually sit, drive wheels exposed, in front of one let alone two AT-15s. That's the problem with slow turretless TD's: you're extremely bad at taking the fight to the enemy on your own terms, so you'd better be able to fight back against a enemy attacking you on his own terms, and the AT-15 does not have the armor or alpha to manage that.

__Crusader6__, on 17 October 2017 - 10:52 PM, said:

 

Solid turret - but for the massive hatch designed to let reds smash you...

 

IS-5 is faster than IS-3 

IS-6 has better armor profile

IS-3 Defender has Gun depression and the autoloader (for Good and bad) 

 

Honestly dude, The IS-3 is the least worrisome of the IS-X’s IMHO 

   I mean Everyone but the tier 7 accidentally put in 8 IS-2H

I think this sort of underestimation of the IS-3 is part of what makes it so dangerous actually. The other IS-tanks are annoying to fight against due to their better armor schemes/speed/autoloaders, but none of them can actually put out damage with nearly the consistency that the IS-3 can, nor fight against tier 9 brutes. Most heavy tank guns in tier can easily pen all IS tanks, while mediums loading APCR can do the same, meaning that extra 5-10% effective hull armor isn't all that useful - if you want to bring armor, make sure at least 60% is invulnerable.

[KingxChuck]

KpfPz isn't as bad as what people describe, and it's basically a faster IS6 with the low-pen gun.

 

I don't know why Caernavon would be put in the potato section. I think it's one of the best tier VIII heavies. 

[__Alexwen__]

Posit1ve_, on 17 October 2017 - 01:05 PM, said:

I actually agree with this list.

 

All I have to say is move the 13 90 up, and T28 prot down.. Otherwise, very solid list

 

And move RU 251 up too. The bad armor isn't that bad when only a third of the shots actually hit you. Don't forget it has shaped charges too, wich gives it 102 mm HE pen. Oh and did I mention the reload is crazy short?Like the fastest 90 mm reload in its class?

[Dark_Magician_Girl]

IS6 smashes everything.

[__Alexwen__]

No, RU 251 smashes everything AND IS-6

[tankeatingtiger]

Centurion up please?

The pen is godlike at tier 8 with all the IS-X spam and the rate of fire is good. Traverse doesn't seem that bad either. Go hull-down and you are golden. (Shameless plug...)