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Angel_Lahoz #1121 Posted 05 December 2019 - 05:28 PM

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You're the sea for me. Wow hadn't just dropped, what bad luck....The randomness is so random, it only puts those people on my green teams, that it justBecause I repeat again, and later I'll post it on Youtube, the same thing does not happen on enemies

acrisis #1122 Posted 05 December 2019 - 06:03 PM

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Seriously, if you have not in 100 battles, let alone NEVER EVER seen anybody AFK on the red team, at their spawn, or in some odd location in game; then you need to take the blinders off, put new glasses on and look around a bit more; because there are plenty on either side.

 

By the way, did you know MM is rigged in that it always puts you on the green team!!! 


 

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Angel_Lahoz #1123 Posted 05 December 2019 - 06:33 PM

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WoW, forgive me.As you might think that war games can have a database with all players in order of seniority, experience in battles played, damage caused, deaths, premium players who pay and who does not, etc., etc. and distribute them as they please. little, little technology out there today. It's a green no-brainer that the reds are the same, they'll see you red. It's a way of understanding us that they always touch the same person. What would I be thinking for God? It is that I am very bad and chance puts me on distracted train, children in recreation schools, etc. and only in some battles and nothing else. But one thing if I tell you, in battles you see what you see and it is etched.Mostly chances Weird stuff on the "green" team. And you will not tell me, nor teach me how to translate statistics, conditions, followed signs, percentiles, repeated signs, linear ruptures, etc. end of the appointment

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acrisis #1124 Posted 05 December 2019 - 07:22 PM

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Since you are not open to a reasonable discussion, and not willing to listen to ANY objective point made ... whatever you bring to the table is pointless.

 

If you are dead set on the «  it is rigged «  idea, you are wasting everybody’s time here.

 

You have no large analysis, no suggestions, nothing positive ... 

 

Playing 130 battles in a day, in a light tank, as a 50% ... to prove a point that you are losing too much and MM is not fair, is ... :facepalm:

 

End of discussion. 


 

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Angel_Lahoz #1125 Posted 05 December 2019 - 07:37 PM

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I said the end of the appointment before, but it was deleted. I repeat, end of appointment. It is not a great analysis and even if it existed for some person (for you), the conclusion would always be, it is you, you and the children park and on the train etc etc Pd: for many people it is more than enough analysis to get an idea, everything you see on youtube

 

Inexplicable (according to your interest (tell me you do not have 100 battles because the damn profile indicates otherwise and when he knew how to find the family account that I play with more than 3000 battles or the old one with 15000 (pinyasa) How do you want me to go to the European forum if you quote me every comment? You who are going to stay in this forum and have time to expand whenever you want, you who are not the critical part and I say end of the appointment and quote me again, when I have even asked for forgiveness for doubting MM or shots do not damage with the tank standing behind the enemy, as seen in the videos because they are my visions, 

I shoot more, or I shoot less, it doesn't matter if they don't go up to my statistics. Total, "only" is 550 damage, less

End of the appointment if you want


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__Crusader6__ #1126 Posted 07 December 2019 - 02:26 PM

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Dude, you are a lemon.   
   You blame teams and ‘rigged’ MM because you are simply terrible. 
You rig against your team as you drag it down. 

  If you want I can give a detailed breakdown of why you are a majority of the problem? 
https://www.blitzstars.com/player/eu/Diamond_red1

This month you have played 592 games in the T49 

  In the T49 you have a 48% WR, which should be lower based on your stats 

Avg Dmg:  937, which is bad for a tier 8, but absolutely revolting for a Tier 8 OP Light tank. 
Damage Ratio:  .93, so you can’t even manage a 1:1 Damage ratio in a tank that basically will give you a 1.5 DR playing half blind 

Spotting: 1.1 Spot Rate in a ridiculously fast and stealthily tank, so you don’t even really help your team by providing any useful intel. 
Survival Rate: 33.6%, not only can you not get decent damage, or even work on an even trade on damage, or provide decent spots - you die a lot.  
 

Summary, you are a clueless player, that is playing well above their ability, and instead of buying a mirror to place blame, you blame anything but the correct person (You). 
 

#madcuzbad

 

 

If you are wondering why I took a harsh approach here, because you are the problem, and your refusal to admit it, while trying to place blame elsewhere is disgusting. 
 



 


 
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__Crusader6__ #1127 Posted 07 December 2019 - 03:20 PM

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Oh and while we are at it (because you really PO’d me) - my Pantera is at 37% this month, yet I double your tier 8 stats in pretty much everything - but wait, I’m not here screaming about rigging.  
 

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__Crusader6__ #1128 Posted 08 December 2019 - 04:19 AM

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As you failed to heed the warnings you have been permanently disabled from posting. 
 
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UnsungRogue #1129 Posted 08 December 2019 - 06:02 PM

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I’m rather disappointed in the direction this has turned, discredit and put down the players stats.   Most people in this game have WR in the range that you are criticizing this player for having.  I’m happy to get my WIN8 into the blue on a tank above Tier 6.   (Speaking of Tier 6, that queue is the WORST for stupid teams right now).   Is his argument regarding MM flawed and awkward?  Yes, however its not great to see more experienced players laying down the put down regarding player stats every time someone criticizes the mechanics of this game.   More and more I feel that certain time brackets on weekends are a terrible time to play as I experience long losing streaks with MM teams that just suck.   Contribute more?  Ok, I concede that I can do more and see one player making a difference in close games however I don’t see that as the case in steam rolls of 7/0 and 7/1 where you do your best to follow and support the team even though their map position and  tactics are clearly going to lead to a total wipe.  In situations like this you barely able to get on your gun and get decent shots on target before your flanked and dead in a minute of playing.  Often times the mediums and lights just tear off to the other side of the map leaving heavies and or slow TD’s to die when flanked and angled to death.    I’ll have a burst of 5-8 wins in a row where my contribution is pretty damn good, even bottom tier,  often times top damage and top kills.   Then I’ll just hit a streak of getting slaughtered.   

 

Yes I’m still learning the maps, and yes I’m still learning some vehicles like my Tier 8 meds, but FFS I’m pretty good in the T28 concept and Lycan,  IS2  .. when I have a team that makes a reasonably good call on map position,  but its not like I can just go off on my own and turn the game in their favor, especially in a TD or Heavy that doesn’t turn on a dime and can be flank and spanked if isolated.  Losing a game that is down to 3 v 2 or closer is not a bad game for me,  I learn most from these and watch the outcome to the end.

 

So us “nubs”,  / suck players in the 45-50% WR range are the ones that keep this game alive and give you someone to play against.  Continue with the attitude that we are garbage and should just quit and most will follow that advice and we can watch the NR server slowly die.  Who the hell wants to stick around in something that stops being fun because the experienced player base barely lifts a finger to help new players and instead just dishes criticism and insults?

 

Now,  I’m going to go and find a good guide on medium tanks because right now as they are my struggle in Tier 7/8,  and might come back to this thread if someone actually has something constructive to point out.  

 

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acrisis #1130 Posted 08 December 2019 - 07:56 PM

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It is the negative attitude and spamming of rigging, anti-wg videos, etc that causes some to be less than patient.

 

Plenty of people are in the middle of the pack, few are exceptional at the game ... overall things are on a helpful keel here.

 

But remember, the user started with a severe anti-wg rant, several polite posts were made to point out a limited / skewed view of the game, trying to connect with the player ... but no, what follows is more ranting, more mod interventions cleaning things up, even a public warning ... followed by further doubling and tripling down. 

 

When a player is that seriously wrapped up in tinfoil, creating that kind of conspiracy videos and comes rant on a server they don’t even play on ( perhaps because they have been banned from their server ? ) ... there is not much of a way forward. 

 

Could MM be different? 
 

For sure. 

 

Most people hate steamroll losses / wins. Often times we see them due to experience mismatches.

 

At the same time I have seen experienced teams get rolled, better and far more experienced players than me score zeros, ... 

 

Look no further than the highest wotb echelons, arguably the smartest players in the competitive arena go toe to toe and steamrolls still happen. Certainly not due to wr / experience mismatch, good platoon / bad platoon, ...

 

The math is just brutal.  Once a team is down a tank it does not take much for that to become “ dominoes “ that continue to fall. 

 

Question always remains ... 

 

When average to poor players want to win more, due to whatever perceived reason and lack of ambition; what is WG supposed to do? How does the line get drawn to be on the better team? worse team? 

At what point in time ... 

 

Noting that those in the 55+% bracket get plenty of bad teams already, where it is play smart and carry or lose, being the only guy with a solid grasp on the team. 

 

The simplest thing is to not mess with it, and do the best we can, it averages out over time, ... 

 

 


 

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UnsungRogue #1131 Posted 09 December 2019 - 01:32 AM

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View Postacrisis, on 08 December 2019 - 12:56 PM, said:

 

It is the negative attitude and spamming of rigging, anti-wg videos, etc that causes some to be less than patient.

 

Plenty of people are in the middle of the pack, few are exceptional at the game ... overall things are on a helpful keel here.

 

But remember, the user started with a severe anti-wg rant, several polite posts were made to point out a limited / skewed view of the game, trying to connect with the player ... but no, what follows is more ranting, more mod interventions cleaning things up, even a public warning ... followed by further doubling and tripling down. 

 

When a player is that seriously wrapped up in tinfoil, creating that kind of conspiracy videos and comes rant on a server they don’t even play on ( perhaps because they have been banned from their server ? ) ... there is not much of a way forward. 

 

Could MM be different? 
 

For sure. 

 

Most people hate steamroll losses / wins. Often times we see them due to experience mismatches.

 

At the same time I have seen experienced teams get rolled, better and far more experienced players than me score zeros, ... 

 

Look no further than the highest wotb echelons, arguably the smartest players in the competitive arena go toe to toe and steamrolls still happen. Certainly not due to wr / experience mismatch, good platoon / bad platoon, ...

 

The math is just brutal.  Once a team is down a tank it does not take much for that to become “ dominoes “ that continue to fall. 

 

Question always remains ... 

 

When average to poor players want to win more, due to whatever perceived reason and lack of ambition; what is WG supposed to do? How does the line get drawn to be on the better team? worse team? 

At what point in time ... 

 

Noting that those in the 55+% bracket get plenty of bad teams already, where it is play smart and carry or lose, being the only guy with a solid grasp on the team. 

 

The simplest thing is to not mess with it, and do the best we can, it averages out over time, ... 

 

 

Thanks man,  I get it.  The bear was being poked.

 

 I used to PVP a lot in WoW arena / BGs and balance was always something bliz was chasing, and certainly in any online Multi player game balance injustices mostly perceived but some real happen.  But since the MM changes in September,  more and more I see the steam rolls during certain time windows and certainly that is when the queue is ripe for the picking, and I’ll joyfully participate in the slaughter and be thrilled when I’m on the side benefitting from it and pissed as all hell when I’m on the receiving end.  

 

For me a game is less satisfying if its a slaughter even when on the winning side.   I learn more from the close matches and get more satisfaction from my performance when I make key moves contributing to a win.

 

 The weird thing I find puzzling  is the long streaks,  that almost seem “sticky”...   it has a casino like feel to it and that is what makes a lot of folks believe some nefarious statistical daemon is at work behind the scenes.   

 

 



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View PostUnsungRogue, on 08 December 2019 - 01:02 PM, said:

I’m rather disappointed in the direction this has turned, discredit and put down the players stats.   Most people in this game have WR in the range that you are criticizing this player for having.  I’m happy to get my WIN8 into the blue on a tank above Tier 6.   (Speaking of Tier 6, that queue is the WORST for stupid teams right now).   Is his argument regarding MM flawed and awkward?  Yes, however its not great to see more experienced players laying down the put down regarding player stats every time someone criticizes the mechanics of this game.   More and more I feel that certain time brackets on weekends are a terrible time to play as I experience long losing streaks with MM teams that just suck.   Contribute more?  Ok, I concede that I can do more and see one player making a difference in close games however I don’t see that as the case in steam rolls of 7/0 and 7/1 where you do your best to follow and support the team even though their map position and  tactics are clearly going to lead to a total wipe.  In situations like this you barely able to get on your gun and get decent shots on target before your flanked and dead in a minute of playing.  Often times the mediums and lights just tear off to the other side of the map leaving heavies and or slow TD’s to die when flanked and angled to death.    I’ll have a burst of 5-8 wins in a row where my contribution is pretty damn good, even bottom tier,  often times top damage and top kills.   Then I’ll just hit a streak of getting slaughtered.   

 

Yes I’m still learning the maps, and yes I’m still learning some vehicles like my Tier 8 meds, but FFS I’m pretty good in the T28 concept and Lycan,  IS2  .. when I have a team that makes a reasonably good call on map position,  but its not like I can just go off on my own and turn the game in their favor, especially in a TD or Heavy that doesn’t turn on a dime and can be flank and spanked if isolated.  Losing a game that is down to 3 v 2 or closer is not a bad game for me,  I learn most from these and watch the outcome to the end.

 

So us “nubs”,  / suck players in the 45-50% WR range are the ones that keep this game alive and give you someone to play against.  Continue with the attitude that we are garbage and should just quit and most will follow that advice and we can watch the NR server slowly die.  Who the hell wants to stick around in something that stops being fun because the experienced player base barely lifts a finger to help new players and instead just dishes criticism and insults?

 

Now,  I’m going to go and find a good guide on medium tanks because right now as they are my struggle in Tier 7/8,  and might come back to this thread if someone actually has something constructive to point out.  

 

~UnsungRogue    NUB, SUCK PLAYER and ALL AROUND BAD AT WOTBLITZ 

 

 I didn’t ban him for being a poor player, I banned him because he wasn’t following the rules.  
 

Apparently he had already been banned on the EU Forum for similar rants. 

 

Honestly I get zero satisfaction from banning him or other.    I do not post people’s stats to shame them.  What I was trying to do was show him that he was not being targeted by MM, and that it was his performance in the T49 that was causing him issues.    That was done as a last resort based on his previous comments and rants. 
 

I have over 60k battles on NA, I have an EU and RU account as well (though I don’t play them anymore). 
  I’ve logged over well over 10k games (green team versus red team players, battle counts, avg dmg, WR, WR in tier played, avg dmg in tier, Battels in tier, WR in tank played, avg dmg in tank played, battles in tank player, and more) to check patterns - (it’s frightfully exhausting) and the best I can come up with is better play wins more often. 
 

The biggest issue I see is the very nature of Mobile gaming being the culprit. 
   WG and contributors have put out mountains of content explaining the game and it’s mechanics.  The trouble is very few players take advantage of that content.   Most mobile gamers just treat this game as a point and shoot arcade game - and spotting mechanics, tank characteristics etc are unknown to them.   Some then get extremely frustrated when they get ‘taken advantage of’, others don’t care and hit battle again, and a much smaller group wonder why, and seek to learn.    
 


 


 


 



 


 

 


 
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mloomis2504 #1133 Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:22 PM

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View PostUnsungRogue, on 08 December 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

Thanks man,  I get it.  The bear was being poked.

 

 I used to PVP a lot in WoW arena / BGs and balance was always something bliz was chasing, and certainly in any online Multi player game balance injustices mostly perceived but some real happen.  But since the MM changes in September,  more and more I see the steam rolls during certain time windows and certainly that is when the queue is ripe for the picking, and I’ll joyfully participate in the slaughter and be thrilled when I’m on the side benefitting from it and pissed as all hell when I’m on the receiving end.  

 

For me a game is less satisfying if its a slaughter even when on the winning side.   I learn more from the close matches and get more satisfaction from my performance when I make key moves contributing to a win.

 

 The weird thing I find puzzling  is the long streaks,  that almost seem “sticky”...   it has a casino like feel to it and that is what makes a lot of folks believe some nefarious statistical daemon is at work behind the scenes.   

 

 

I completely agree on the long streaks seem forced / abnormal.  Wargaming has stated that they 'balance' teams across players not just tier and tank types.  I don't know the specifics of what goes into balancing, but it's implemented across the industry in matchmaking.  My guess is there are times based on the server population where balancing will have a tendency to create streaks very bad matchups for certain skill categories because of what's available to balance with, conversely sometimes you get streaks of good matchups.

 

My advice is lose 2 or 3 in a row and put the game down for a while.  You could also change up by either platooning or run solo if you were in a platoon as there are different MM choices for MM to pair up platoons in teams


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Straight up 33% WR today as opposed to 78% WR the other day.  Today...EVERY GREEN team had an AFK or a troll.  Every battle was a steamroll despite scoring top damage or even killing 2-3 Reds because of the AFK or Troll, 3-5 40%ers on Green who went Town if the option existed.  Every Red team had Star players and laser accurate max damage shots focus shots.

Simply closed game client and went to go play something more fun and balanced as well as spend some cash on or in another game.


Edited by Bellatormonk, 15 December 2019 - 07:51 PM.


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I am becoming a broken record on this, but I'll say it again. I don't know what they did to RNG and MM in the last year, but they clearly changed something under the hood. I get that the super unicums are not fazed by this, as their play is so good that they can overcome it, but we veteran players who are mediocre certainly see the difference.

 

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View PostBellatormonk, on 15 December 2019 - 02:51 PM, said:

Straight up 33% WR today as opposed to 78% WR the other day.  Today...EVERY GREEN team had an AFK or a troll.  Every battle was a steamroll despite scoring top damage or even killing 2-3 Reds because of the AFK or Troll, 3-5 40%ers on Green who went Town if the option existed.  Every Red team had Star players and laser accurate max damage shots focus shots.

Simply closed game client and went to go play something more fun and balanced as well as spend some cash on or in another game.


Several areas in VA has snow days today -- I blame that. :facepalm:

 

 

   But yeah I saw an obnoxious amount of AFK's today -- including a rather epic performance of a green 268 to roar into a position -- push our 183 out into the open, then AFK.

 

Honestly it is simply the nature of the game -- there is WAY more poor players than decent players around.

 

 

 

 


 
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Bellatormonk #1137 Posted 16 December 2019 - 07:04 PM

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Yep I made my "voodoo" complaint and the matches started evening out a bit.  Good thing we have this thread to vent on.  Saves me a lot of drywall repair.

 

 

So right after the above sentence I launch into a match with my TigerP to warm up for a few rounds.  Matches like these are the reason I usually NEVER EVER call Dirs in games.  For some reason it's like I speak in "Bizarro World" Language.  Seriously...I would love to hear some good old advice on this.  BTW...I would also like to see some comments on the first 2 hits (even though 1 bounced) in the first 30 secs of the match.  On my screen...I was behind a building for the last 1 of 2 shots.  WoTInspector clearly shows the 2nd shot going through the building and bouncing off me?

 

https://replays.wotinspector.com/en/view/96c9e9ca6bd4cdcacb916f88d4ea18bd

 


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UnsungRogue #1138 Posted 18 December 2019 - 08:59 PM

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View PostTonnerreCadien, on 16 December 2019 - 09:55 AM, said:

I am becoming a broken record on this, but I'll say it again. I don't know what they did to RNG and MM in the last year, but they clearly changed something under the hood. I get that the super unicums are not fazed by this, as their play is so good that they can overcome it, but we veteran players who are mediocre certainly see the difference.

 

Apologies to all forumers who have me in Tier 8 & 9 Ratings battles. I'm trying to improve my game in those tiers, and it's just plain ugly.

 

I feel what your saying about apologies to any forumers that get us in higher tier battles when we are trying to improve game play.

I have absolutely struggled in Tier 9 and Tier 8 as of late.  If I play my Tier 9 I almost always get bottom tier against 4-5 Tier X.   Ditto in any Tier 8, I get bottom Tier.    Pen has been a serious issue for me in these games,  even when I have time to carefully pick my shot I get lots of bounces or no penetration.  

 

Lately I prefer playing slow heavies or a slow TD in these upper tier games as it keeps me from getting ahead of the pack, isolated and or shoving my face around a corner into 5 guns pointed right at me.   

 



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Mm is brutal with this winter fair, 1 for 11 at the moment. The chances for a dumpster fire team has gone up exponentially. Good luck out there, your gonna need it

NoobieDude #1140 Posted 20 December 2019 - 08:57 PM

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YEAH....I'm at 49.02 as of today. My WR was 57.24 and now at 56.97. I'm afraid to go out in that travesty of team play today. I cant believe how many players keep going town regardless of what map were on. The only way i can win right now is by carrying 4/5 team mates. And of course When I lose my damage and kills are usually the highest by far more than anyone else on the team.

But it would be nice if WG could balance WR a tad in MM. Yes I know it  wouldn't be random anymore. But it would be nice to have WG push a 50/+%er over to  a overloaded 40/+%er team once in awhile, or at least get experience leveled out a bit. And yes it probably could only be done when Q times are high. It would be nice to give it a try at least.






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