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_Crusader6_ #1201 Posted 09 March 2020 - 09:55 PM

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View PostSurfex, on 09 March 2020 - 02:16 PM, said:

Ahhh yes... the "coincidental" 10 game losing streaks experienced by hundreds of thousands of players thousands of times is just "coincidental". [edited]

 

WG just flat out lies about the MM. It's insulting to the player base because the odds of a hundred thousand players having the exact same experience hundreds/thousands of times to the point of being 100% predictable – being some random anomaly of luck... lol... it's so high it's approaching infinity. 

 

It all comes down to MONETIZATION. This is an actual real industry with most gaming companies being Monetization Foundries first that use video games as a revenue source. WG is clearly one of these. 

If people understood the sheer amount of data, psychology, science, algorithms – that go into every decision and action made by players... they would run from modern games screaming. 

 

The matchmaker is set up to keep players looking for that next "magical" tank that is going to make their lives better and give them more wins. It's 100% based on psychology driven monetization. 

Those with a predisposition to gambling addiction are flagged as a percentage of the player base - and this determines crates or direct revenue. 

The first 10 games of level advantage are designed to give a dopamine hit as a reward and feeling good about the purchase. 

Then comes the guilt as WG implements the forced contrived losses that leaves the gamer looking for the next tank...

 

Game is designed to keep people coming back looking for that pot of gold that they will never find. The Matchmaker is the primary tool of control. 

 

  • Player skill, win rate, vehicle nation, and modules aren't taken into account by the matchmaker.


Spending doesn’t help, that is painfully obvious to anyone who opens their eyes. 
 Sure they are a business - but there are tons of F2P folks doing well, and tons of examples that have a lot of high tier premiums and stunk in them.   
 

Read Dan Deerso’s comments. 
    Look at the players in the game, WG doesn’t need to do anything on MM, 75% of them don’t have a clue, and are just there as targets.  15% are decent, 8% are good, and 2% are super human.  
 

 
 



 
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All they have to do is add a "switch" to "only play my tier" and the problem is solved.  The code to write this is only a paragraph long.  Its not fair or fun to play higher tier matches were out of 20 shots only 2 penetrate, while the whole time you are taking damage.  Oh, and no I did not learn anything by playing higher tier matches.

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View PostShadowHawk_2112, on 17 March 2020 - 05:05 AM, said:

All they have to do is add a "switch" to "only play my tier" and the problem is solved.  The code to write this is only a paragraph long.  Its not fair or fun to play higher tier matches were out of 20 shots only 2 penetrate, while the whole time you are taking damage.  Oh, and no I did not learn anything by playing higher tier matches.


So how fair is that to others? 
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View PostSpartacusDiablo, on 19 March 2020 - 01:52 PM, said:

I stopped by here, read a few comments, and then promptly remembered why I stopped reading the comments here.

 

Reasoning and discernment are two skills society seems to have forgotten. Or maybe people never had them, we just didn’t have forums to highlight it.


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Just a question on something I have noticed recently. Please note that this is not a rant or me complaining about Rigged MM.

 

I have noticed every time I am on top of the list going into a battle and loose that battle, the very next battle I will be bottom of the list. 

 

Example: I play my Tiger P a lot, and I will be the top one on the list of Tier 7's, after I loose a battle, I will check the battle stats and go directly to another battle with the Tiger P again. The next battle after a loss will put me in with a bunch of Tier 8's and I am always the lowest on the list. Why is that? Should a loss put me in the same Tiers of battle and not against a higher Tier?


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View Postmyothertankisaford, on 21 March 2020 - 06:32 PM, said:

Just a question on something I have noticed recently. Please note that this is not a rant or me complaining about Rigged MM.

 

I have noticed every time I am on top of the list going into a battle and loose that battle, the very next battle I will be bottom of the list. 

 

Example: I play my Tiger P a lot, and I will be the top one on the list of Tier 7's, after I loose a battle, I will check the battle stats and go directly to another battle with the Tiger P again. The next battle after a loss will put me in with a bunch of Tier 8's and I am always the lowest on the list. Why is that? Should a loss put me in the same Tiers of battle and not against a higher Tier?

 

Can you provide screenshots so we can see what you’re talking about?

 

Win or loss doesn’t matter to if you’re placed in high or low tier. It’s based on the tanks that are in the queue when you hit battle. 


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I love Mad Games. Everyone turns into an incompetent moron. If you can carry, it's a gift to you. I've gotten a bunch of aces, increased my WR, and played a ton since this coronavirus has been canceling my stuff left and right. Had a massive win streak last night and today I've played just 7 games, but all wins. Feels good man.

 

 



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View Postj_rod, on 22 March 2020 - 03:51 AM, said:

 

Can you provide screenshots so we can see what you’re talking about?

 

Win or loss doesn’t matter to if you’re placed in high or low tier. It’s based on the tanks that are in the queue when you hit battle. 

 

Here is a screen shot of two battles one after another. Canyon was first, I was on top of the list, we lost that battle. Mayan ruins was the next right after canyon finished. Bottom tier even know I lost the previous battle, why throw me into higher tiers if I am loosing in the same tier.

Canyon:

https://imgur.com/30NmBlk

Mayan Ruins:

https://imgur.com/aDasBZm

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by myothertankisaford, 25 March 2020 - 09:56 PM.

I'm 100% not serious 99% of the time.....:popcorn:

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View Postmyothertankisaford, on 25 March 2020 - 03:50 PM, said:

 

Here is a screen shot of two battles one after another. Canyon was first, I was on top of the list, we lost that battle. Mayan ruins was the next right after canyon finished. Bottom tier even know I lost the previous battle, why throw me into higher tiers if I am loosing in the same tier.

Canyon:

https://imgur.com/30NmBlk

Mayan Ruins:

https://imgur.com/aDasBZm

 

Gotcha. Understood on what you're referring to now. Couple things -

 

* With the exception of your "honeymoon" period in a new tank, MM doesn't assign a player a top or low tier based on anything other than what's in the queue. As an example - tier X is the hardest to get to and has the fewest number of players at any given point in time. They are also the highest tier, so can never be low tier. Therefore, it's reasonable that when the number of players in tier X are relatively low, a larger number of tier IX tanks will be pulled in to tier X games. This then affects tier VIII/VII tanks similarly where tier VII is low tier more often than high tier. 

 

* I've never paid any attention to what order I'm in when put in to game so can't speak to this with any sort of data. I see your example, so my question would be - how often does this happen? If you really think there's something there, sample 30 games in a row and let us know what you find, preferably with screenshots as evidence. 


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Can somebody please explain how I get 6 heavies on my team and 7 heavies on red in a Ratings match?


 

 


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View PostRonaldusMaximus_, on 26 March 2020 - 02:42 PM, said:

Can somebody please explain how I get 6 heavies on my team and 7 heavies on red in a Ratings match?


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**Edit**
 

Wrong thread


Edited by j_rod, 27 March 2020 - 01:02 PM.

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View Postj_rod, on 26 March 2020 - 04:15 PM, said:

 

Gotcha. Understood on what you're referring to now. Couple things -

 

* With the exception of your "honeymoon" period in a new tank, MM doesn't assign a player a top or low tier based on anything other than what's in the queue. As an example - tier X is the hardest to get to and has the fewest number of players at any given point in time. They are also the highest tier, so can never be low tier. Therefore, it's reasonable that when the number of players in tier X are relatively low, a larger number of tier IX tanks will be pulled in to tier X games. This then affects tier VIII/VII tanks similarly where tier VII is low tier more often than high tier. 

 

* I've never paid any attention to what order I'm in when put in to game so can't speak to this with any sort of data. I see your example, so my question would be - how often does this happen? If you really think there's something there, sample 30 games in a row and let us know what you find, preferably with screenshots as evidence. 


It has happened quite a bit for me to notice it. But know I am paying attention more. I have been on a nice winning streak on both my accounts, even playing with all the new coronakillers playing now.


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View Postmyothertankisaford, on 27 March 2020 - 02:52 PM, said:


It has happened quite a bit for me to notice it. But know I am paying attention more. I have been on a nice winning streak on both my accounts, even playing with all the new coronakillers playing now.


If you’re winning it must be bc you’re getting preferential MM right?


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View Post__Crusader6__, on 17 March 2020 - 12:46 PM, said:


So how fair is that to others? 
   Many of us played in +/-2 MM, and we made it work.  
 

If you are having issues in +/-1 MM, it is a you issue.  
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Which mean zilch when RNG is doing what RNG does



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View PostRexCramer707, on 29 March 2020 - 05:36 PM, said:

Which mean zilch when RNG is doing what RNG does


RNG is causing you to run a 32% winrate and a 286 WN8 the last 30 days? Wow. Just wow.


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View Postj_rod, on 29 March 2020 - 07:07 PM, said:


RNG is causing you to run a 32% winrate and a 286 WN8 the last 30 days? Wow. Just wow.


Rex has a history of spamming ‘Rigged Loss’ on Global and drowning or AFK’ing.  
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View Post__Crusader6__, on 30 March 2020 - 08:32 AM, said:


Rex has a history of spamming ‘Rigged Loss’ on Global and drowning or AFK’ing.  
   Rex is Rex’s worst enemy.  He’s the sort of player you dread on green as he makes it 6 v 7 at the very start. 

 

So in summary - he's a poor player that isn't self-aware enough to realize he's his own problem and in order to "prove a point" he pulls an OMK-style protest, further hurting his team.

 

What truly astounds me about so many of these players that get on here and rant about MM is the lack of self-accountability and awareness from them. I get the frustration that comes with a string of bad teams, but it's not hard to look at the individual metrics (damage/tier, KDR, DR, etc) and see that they're not contributing. Furthermore, instead of addressing those shortcomings, they go the tinfoil route of blaming everyone but themselves. 

 

What's even more interesting is how many of these individuals are adults, middle-aged and up, and these are many of the same people that talk about all the shortcomings of Millenials. They'll blame MM, RNG, etc and in the same breath talk about how entitled the younger generation is. The dichotomy is pretty crazy to say the least. 


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