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wrecker1968 #1681 Posted 27 May 2021 - 12:28 AM

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So for the fun of it I just did 3 battles In a row, 0 damage, 0 damage, 60 points of damage from a side swipe. And all 3 were wins.

 Funny how WG cr ap down on me so much that I don't care to win.  But it makes it easier to do experiments.



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View Postwrecker1968, on 26 May 2021 - 07:28 PM, said:

So for the fun of it I just did 3 battles In a row, 0 damage, 0 damage, 60 points of damage from a side swipe. And all 3 were wins.

 Funny how WG cr ap down on me so much that I don't care to win.  But it makes it easier to do experiments.


 just delete the game and go do one. 



wrecker1968 #1683 Posted 27 May 2021 - 02:32 AM

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View Post__V_O_P__, on 27 May 2021 - 01:35 AM, said:


 just delete the game and go do one. 

 I am here for the duration. If you don't like it leave. And if you stay, well it suks to be you.



whatzup22 #1684 Posted 27 May 2021 - 03:07 AM

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wrecker1968 #1685 Posted 27 May 2021 - 11:16 AM

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That's a funny thing. I really didn't spend that much on this game at all compared to most people. Over 5 years and Only a few $100. Now I get to watch people like yourself spend money and then 6 months later wonder why the game has changed, it's changed So you could spend more money on it.  How many players have we seen do this and leave?

 Angry? Nah extremely entertained.

 I've even seen so many WG lap dogs like yourself disappear over the years.

 Well it's going to be a gorgeous day so I think I will take the motorcycle out for a ride. Nice chatting with you.



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One thing I think we can all agree with Wrecker is that the game has changed.  
   7 years is a massive time in video games, and a monumental achievement in a mobile app game. 
 

While many changes have been positive, there have been a lot of negative ones as well.  
   As to how one views the ratio of bad to good will depend on the enjoyment they used to get,

versus what they get now, as well as their perception on how the changes have affected game play.  

 

 


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wrecker1968 #1687 Posted 27 May 2021 - 02:23 PM

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True I agree with you Cru, The problem I have is when WG makes changes for greed  ( big difference between A healthy profit margin and greed ) That affect the gameplay that players paid for. They take advantage of the situation for greed. Certain algorithms, 5.5 and fantasy tanks were put in for the wrong reasons.  

What I find entertaining is when these guys call me angry and tell me to delete the game. And then wander off to cry about tank tracks in another thread. And I'm supposed to take them serious lol.



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View Postwrecker1968, on 27 May 2021 - 08:23 AM, said:

True I agree with you Cru, The problem I have is when WG makes changes for greed  ( big difference between A healthy profit margin and greed ) That affect the gameplay that players paid for. They take advantage of the situation for greed. Certain algorithms, 5.5 and fantasy tanks were put in for the wrong reasons.  

What I find entertaining is when these guys call me angry and tell me to delete the game. And then wander off to cry about tank tracks in another thread. And I'm supposed to take them serious lol.

 

I know we've disagreed with this over the years and I don't see that changing. WG is making changes to maximize profit and (crates aside) none of the complaints in this thread are ethical complaints. Rather, they're individual grievances with WG decisions and policies. Ultimately, the only way to change these decisions is through voicing concerns and/or removing one's self from the equation (financially and by not playing). 

 

The removal of low tier tanks and inclusion of fantasy tanks specifically are personal preference issues. MM is a different beast, but there's a differnce between what one perceives as "fair" and it being unethical. 


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__V_O_P__ #1689 Posted 30 May 2021 - 04:23 PM

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Middlesburg... Tier X/9

 

Green: 3 x TD 4 x Heavy

 

Red: 2 x TD 3 x Heavy 2 x Med/Light

 

SMH



__V_O_P__ #1690 Posted 30 May 2021 - 05:51 PM

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And...

 

Yukon... Tier X

 

3 TDs + 4 Heavies vs 3 TDs + 3 Heavies + 1 Med

 

 



_Crusader6_ #1691 Posted 30 May 2021 - 07:09 PM

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MM is telling you to play a medium/light.   
   Not sure why you don’t see that ;) 
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Bellatormonk #1692 Posted 31 May 2021 - 03:56 AM

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I am going to submit this as one of the most rigged games I have seen in a while.  The guy on Green in the E3 should have died several times over.  Watch the whole thing, I am sure you agree.

 

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anonym_BkEoFNvSnPRa #1693 Posted 07 June 2021 - 03:41 AM

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Matchmaker really sucks.  It sucks because it doesn't consider win rates of the players.  Honestly, how many times have you witnessed a 7-0 or a 0-7?  If matchmaker was better there would be far more even games like 5-4 but too often it's a slaughter.

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View Postdangerousdan26, on 06 June 2021 - 10:41 PM, said:

Matchmaker really sucks.  It sucks because it doesn't consider win rates of the players.  Honestly, how many times have you witnessed a 7-0 or a 0-7?  If matchmaker was better there would be far more even games like 5-4 but too often it's a slaughter.


How is that fair to those of us who actually tried to learn the game. 
  You want to put training wheels on players like yourself and cripple better players.  
 

Even with WR leveled teams there will still be blow outs. 
   Even if you level it by WR in tier or in tank there will still be blow outs - simply because that is the nature of Blitz.  
 7v7 makes ruthless math when you have players AFK or early yolo deaths - why because red can simply bring more DPM to bear.  
 

The game is chess - but some pieces fall like dominos. 
 


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View Postdangerousdan26, on 06 June 2021 - 10:41 PM, said:

Matchmaker really sucks.  It sucks because it doesn't consider win rates of the players.  Honestly, how many times have you witnessed a 7-0 or a 0-7?  If matchmaker was better there would be far more even games like 5-4 but too often it's a slaughter.


somewhere I posted the results of one of the tournament finals - in terms of the blow outs 7-0 or 7-1 - it was something like 10-20% of the games. and that’s the best. MM exists ONLY to get players playing and tank classes balanced - although recently it’s obvious that the latter has been changed. 



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I have to disagree.  This game has nothing to do with Chess.  It plays like Yahtzee..not much more.

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Matchmaker is supposed to match two teams in a balanced manner but it fails miserably.  Surprisingly, MM does not consider player skill when matching teams and this is what leads to unbalanced teams.  MM is particularly awful when one or more platoons are playing.  Often, one platoon will be skillful and the other not so.  On a team of 7, 2 players can make a huge difference.

Why player skill (win rate) is not in the MM equation nobody knows.  WOTB has not explained why they can't add this simple fix.   

 



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View Postdangerousdan26, on 10 June 2021 - 07:40 PM, said:

Matchmaker is supposed to match two teams in a balanced manner but it fails miserably.  Surprisingly, MM does not consider player skill when matching teams and this is what leads to unbalanced teams.  MM is particularly awful when one or more platoons are playing.  Often, one platoon will be skillful and the other not so.  On a team of 7, 2 players can make a huge difference.

Why player skill (win rate) is not in the MM equation nobody knows.  WOTB has not explained why they can't add this simple fix.   

 


Dan - really this is a dumb post. It’s on the record and discussed ad nauseam how “random” battles works. it is not surprising in the slightest that player win rate is nothing to do with MM. WG has explained that Ratings is its skill based balanced game mode. And on this forum - in this very thread people have explained over and over and over that win rate MM would punish good players and reward bad ones. Yes two bad players on a team is not good but unless you can show otherwise that happens to red as much as green. so that balances out in the end. 



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View Post__V_O_P__, on 10 June 2021 - 08:25 PM, said:


Dan - really this is a dumb post. It’s on the record and discussed ad nauseam how “random” battles works. it is not surprising in the slightest that player win rate is nothing to do with MM. WG has explained that Ratings is its skill based balanced game mode. And on this forum - in this very thread people have explained over and over and over that win rate MM would punish good players and reward bad ones. Yes two bad players on a team is not good but unless you can show otherwise that happens to red as much as green. so that balances out in the end. 


I actually agree with his point about platoons


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If everyone is getting bad teams then mm must be working properly. 

 

I guess.

 

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