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[NoobieDude]

THE BOTTOM LINE . MM is the same for everyone.weighted or random it doesn't matter. skill is your WR.

i just had 3 losses in a row. first game i just went noobie   2nd game 300 over my HP 1 kill = loss. 3rd game 500 over my HP 3 kills = loss.

 

all in my DW2 that has 600 hp. so the last 2 games were 900 and 1100 DMG, with 4 total kills. i should of won at the very min 1 game. but alas TEAMS!

Edited by NoobieDude, 02 March 2018 - 09:43 PM.

[_Tacky]

ZebraUp, on 02 March 2018 - 09:32 AM, said:

***I just posted this in another thread, but now realize it more properly belongs here..***

 

I honestly don't know if match-making is rigged or not, but what I DO KNOW is what I see with my own eyes.

 

Entered a tier X battle last night with my Clan mate as a 'toon and after the oh so quick loss i looked at the team make-ups. Opposing team has THREE players with over 60+% win rate and none of the rest of the red team has anyone with less than a 56% win rate!

As for my team? We had....... me. I was the only player in my team with over a 50% win rate, and I suck at the upper tiers. All the rest of my team has less than a 50% win rate, with 2 of them under 40%

 

Now if this was an isolated incident i would say, "On well, luck of the draw.." However it isn't an isolated incident. It happens all the time in all the tiers. I take tons of screenshots and after every battle when handing out the thumbs-ups i look at the team make-up and even when I won it seems as if the opposing team had a better average win rate over my team approximately 65% of the time. Sometimes crazily so! Like two 80+%'ers AND a 70%'er AND a 60%'er vs my team, filled with below average players.. (and yes, i am including myself in that lot)

 

I freely admit I am not that good a player, but I have been working hard on getting better, yet it seems like WG keeps trying to trip me up! Pretty much i have come to the conclusion that if I don't carry, and carry HARD, i am not going to win.

 

WarGaming, why don't you take into account the player's win rates when match-making?? Balance the teams that have a 60+%'er with 30,000 battles with a player who has 40% and 1400 battles, while on the other team put a guy with a 52% w/r alongside a player with a 48% win rate??

 

Just my 2 cents

 

Me  ^^^

[MarBearCat]

Welp, considering it's my worse tier by far, this was a "Good" game for me.

After checking the score page I was  to see I had the highest win rate

on both sides. Sure glad the team listened to my direction call at start. 

 

I was brawling the e-25, (killed him) the IS-5 (killed him) the RU and

the Is3. Thanks to our IS 6 for having my back and knocking those 2

out.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Yay me! 

[_Tacky]

Stop making me want to buy the Mod 1

[NoobieDude]

NoobieDude, on 02 March 2018 - 01:33 PM, said:

THE BOTTOM LINE . MM is the same for everyone.weighted or random it doesn't matter. skill is your WR.

i just had 3 losses in a row. first game i just went noobie   2nd game 300 over my HP 1 kill = loss. 3rd game 500 over my HP 3 kills = loss.

 

all in my DW2 that has 600 hp. so the last 2 games were 900 and 1100 DMG, with 4 total kills. i should of won at the very min 1 game. but alas TEAMS!

this is why tier 3 is ludicrous to play. i get in and out of tier 3 when grinding a new line. and also why i drive my keeper DW2.

[Fu_Manchu_]

ZebraUp, on 02 March 2018 - 08:32 AM, said:

***I just posted this in another thread, but now realize it more properly belongs here..***

 

I honestly don't know if match-making is rigged or not, but what I DO KNOW is what I see with my own eyes.

 

Entered a tier X battle last night with my Clan mate as a 'toon and after the oh so quick loss i looked at the team make-ups. Opposing team has THREE players with over 60+% win rate and none of the rest of the red team has anyone with less than a 56% win rate!

As for my team? We had....... me. I was the only player in my team with over a 50% win rate, and I suck at the upper tiers. All the rest of my team has less than a 50% win rate, with 2 of them under 40%

 

Now if this was an isolated incident i would say, "On well, luck of the draw.." However it isn't an isolated incident. It happens all the time in all the tiers. I take tons of screenshots and after every battle when handing out the thumbs-ups i look at the team make-up and even when I won it seems as if the opposing team had a better average win rate over my team approximately 65% of the time. Sometimes crazily so! Like two 80+%'ers AND a 70%'er AND a 60%'er vs my team, filled with below average players.. (and yes, i am including myself in that lot)

 

I freely admit I am not that good a player, but I have been working hard on getting better, yet it seems like WG keeps trying to trip me up! Pretty much i have come to the conclusion that if I don't carry, and carry HARD, i am not going to win.

 

WarGaming, why don't you take into account the player's win rates when match-making?? Balance the teams that have a 60+%'er with 30,000 battles with a player who has 40% and 1400 battles, while on the other team put a guy with a 52% w/r alongside a player with a 48% win rate??

 

Just my 2 cents

 

Everything you described (aka complained is exactly as it should be). If MM is random, then you will have some games where you get a far better team than red does and some games with the opposite. On balance, you will likely win most of the former and lose most of the latter. It is not surprising that in the games you lose, red usually has better players.
 

Wargaming, please do not listen to his request regarding balancing matchmaking based on winrate.

 

If you balance teams based on winrate, we will all start to regress to 50% because the teams will always be evenly matched and our individual abilities to influence games will always be off-set by a player with a similar ability to influence games.

 

Unless you want Blitz to be a game where everyone has the same winrate, you should not be asking for individual battles to have balanced teams. If WG were to implement something like that, then people would stop comparing WR and would focus more on damage ratio and KDR (sometimes at the expense of winning battles) because those would be the only stats they would be able to consistently influence.

[Fu_Manchu_]

NoobieDude, on 04 March 2018 - 01:34 AM, said:

this is why tier 3 is ludicrous to play. i get in and out of tier 3 when grinding a new line. and also why i drive my keeper DW2.

 

I despise playing in tiers IV and below, but not because of the seal clubbers. I can't stand that I can't count on anyone on green doing the right thing. At higher tiers, you know that you will at least have 1 or 2 teammates with at least a handful of brain cells.

[MarBearCat]

MarBearCat, on 02 March 2018 - 11:39 PM, said:

Welp, considering it's my worse tier by far, this was a "Good" game for me.

After checking the score page I was  to see I had the highest win rate

on both sides. Sure glad the team listened to my direction call at start. 

 

I was brawling the e-25, (killed him) the IS-5 (killed him) the RU and

the Is3. Thanks to our IS 6 for having my back and knocking those 2

out.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Yay me! 

 

I put this in the wrong thread.

 

Stupid Cat

[BattChiefJoe241]

9 losses in last 13 battles, players with 200 battles playing tiers 5-6. I have gone from a 50% WR to 49.68 since I posted to complain. Wargaming only cares about new players that use gold to upgrade through the tiers. 

[_Tacky]

NoobieDude, on 04 March 2018 - 02:34 AM, said:

this is why tier 3 is ludicrous to play. i get in and out of tier 3 when grinding a new line. and also why i drive my keeper DW2.

 

I might be seal clubbing at tier 3-5

[NoobieDude]

Fu_Manchu_, on 05 March 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

 

I despise playing in tiers IV and below, but not because of the seal clubbers. I can't stand that I can't count on anyone on green doing the right thing. At higher tiers, you know that you will at least have 1 or 2 teammates with at least a handful of brain cells.

  i have no choice right now. im grinding to tier 5. and i don't have the luxury of moving up and down yet. i sell all my tanks as soon as i elite them. once at a solid tier 5 i will start keeping those tanks i do well in and spending SP. all ive kept so far is my DW2 my PZ s35 and my M3 light. all SP'ed.

  and also i have to learn to drive these tier 5 tanks too. i have the KV1 now. but my WR is not up to my expectations yet. My avg damage is at or almost at its HP level. WR is only 53+%

Tackywheat1, on 06 March 2018 - 09:50 PM, said:

 

club it up join the club LOL.

[AfleetAlex]

Never read this thread so I have no idea what’s in it.

But by the title I think this might be the home for this.

This is the best MatchMaking I ever had. 

Never been the only tier five against one tier five, and all tier fours.

I’ve been the only seven aganst sixes, a lot.   The only ten aganst nines, a lot.

But never the only five against fours.

 

This was a cannot lose game.  in my most OP tank. 

 

 

 

 

Edited by DeborahKay, 11 March 2018 - 07:06 PM.

[SpartacusDiablo]

More evidence that it isn't rigged. Do better and you'll win more. Thanks for all the hard work Gavidoc01.

http://forum.wotblit...04#entry1445504

Edited by SpartacusDiablo, 13 March 2018 - 01:29 AM.

[MarBearCat]

4 straight losses in kv 1 where peeps on my team go the wrong way, (town in middleburge) and 

Red team all go correct way.

 

What are the odds of that?

[MarBearCat]

All 4 battles had my teams jacked with 3 and 4 hundred battles played

[MarBearCat]

MM needs to spread out these horrid low battle players better.

 

No reason to give a cat 4 consecutive teams of them.

 

I could see if it was tier 2

[SpartacusDiablo]

MarBearCat, on 13 March 2018 - 07:39 PM, said:

MM needs to spread out these horrid low battle players better.

 

No reason to give a cat 4 consecutive teams of them.

 

I could see if it was tier 2

We all get the same groups of bad team mates.  It happens.  Roll with it or take a break and come back later.

[Fu_Manchu_]

MarBearCat, on 13 March 2018 - 05:20 PM, said:

4 straight losses in kv 1 where peeps on my team go the wrong way, (town in middleburge) and 

Red team all go correct way.

 

What are the odds of that?

 

The odds are quite high actually.

 

MarBearCat, on 13 March 2018 - 05:39 PM, said:

MM needs to spread out these horrid low battle players better.

 

No reason to give a cat 4 consecutive teams of them.

 

I could see if it was tier 2

 

No, MM does not need to do that. I would rather have random(ish) MM with streaks like that than have WG try to mess with MM and royally F it up.

 

SpartacusDiablo, on 13 March 2018 - 05:48 PM, said:

We all get the same groups of bad team mates.  It happens.  Roll with it or take a break and come back later.

 

What he said.

[Foxxxhunter]

On the very first post, on this MM thread; SpartacusDiablo states that MM does not consider "Personal Skill Level"

This should be a HUGH consideration!!!   Just watch your MM lists at the start of the battle. Your green team is made up of  "Players #######",

and on red team, the whole list is made up of "So and So [clan member]"  aka;  experienced players

 

I know right away, before the battle starts,  it isn't going to end well, usually a complete blow out

 

Most but not all--- "Players ####/ no handle"--- can't manuveur their tanks, can't follow directions, sit/watch and don't fire a shot, and don't watch their maps

[marceloht4]

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