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_Weeping_Angel_ #1 Posted 14 November 2017 - 07:25 PM

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I am tired of people saying the Cruel Twist is overpriced without even really looking at what you are getting for your money.  To get the gold you to buy a tier 8 premium you will have to get a $20 and $10 gold bundle.... cost per gold (293 gold / $1).  UPDATED COSTS AFTER REALIZING MY HORRIBLE MATH ERRORS AND ADDED WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU OVERSPEND TO GET MORE GOLD WITH THE $40 GOLD BUNDLE.

 

$45 bundle - tier 8 premium light tank + garage slot + 6 pieces of unlocked equipment + camo + 4k gold

Average price for tier 8 premium from tech tree = 7441 gold = $25.4

slot = always given with premium tanks = worth $.56

6 slots unlocked equipment = Tech tree premium comes with 3 slots open so to accelerate the 3 slots it takes 800 gold each​800x3 = 2400 gold = $8.19

  • ​Savings of 72k spare parts (what is that worth?)

Camo tier 8 premium = IS6 legendary camo is 1600 gold?  = $5.40

4k gold = $13.60

Total so far = $52.59 + 72k spare parts saved  (if overspend and get the $40 gold bundle the cost per gold would bring the price down to $38.74)  Still a fair price.

So what price do you put on rarity for a tank that cannot be purchased after the offer?  You don't have too.  The cost is equal to what you get and it will be available for a limited time only. 

 

$35 bundle - tier 8 premium light tank + garage slot + 6 pieces of unlocked equipment + 1k gold

Average price for tier 8 premium from tech tree = 7441 gold = $25.4

slot = always given with premium tanks = worth $.56

6 slots unlocked equipment =  Tech tree premium comes with 3 slots open so to accelerate the 3 slots it takes 800 gold each ​800x3 = 2400 gold = $8.19

  •  Savings of 72k spare parts (what is that worth?)

1k gold = $3.41

Total value = $37.00 + 72k spare parts saved (if overspend and get the $40 gold bundle you would get $27.10 in value)  Still seems fair.

 

Value?  This is the economy we live in right now.  The equipment slots, spare parts shortages, camos to get, extra gold added on to the bundles.  This is the cost of a new tier 8 premium and it is not that outrageous when you break it down.  It falls right in the middle of the two price points. Gone are the days when you will be offered just a tank at the bare bones price. Even if you don't spend the $7.50 to accelerate the tier II equipment you are still saving 72k in spare parts.  That takes about a week to earn for even a dedicated driver.

 

The RU251 argument..... they are basically the same tank.  The Twist credit coefficient is 170% vs RU251 86%.  If lights are a fun and winning tank for you why not get it and double your credit earning power.  You now have a very good credit earner.

 

****Can someone confirm what I have in red so that I can be more accurate in my assessment of the new bundles and future bundles?


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As usual, a very informative post. This is very helpful. It's good to know WG is actually being pretty fair about these recent bundles. 

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You make a very valid argument. When previously looking at the bundle all looked at was the price. However, I would personally deduct the price of gold to speed up the equipping process because I never accelerate equipping. However, even then, you're still getting a good deal.

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For the tank itself, I haven't seen big difference from RU251. It keep me rethinking the deal time by time.

_Weeping_Angel_ #5 Posted 14 November 2017 - 07:41 PM

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View Post_Lion_King_, on 14 November 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

For the tank itself, I haven't seen big difference from RU251. It keep me rethinking the deal time by time.

 

​The difference being the RU 251 credit coefficient is 86% while the Cruel Twist is 170%.  Is it worth it to double your credit earning when playing similar tanks?  If this type of tank is fun for you to drive and you do well in, then it is worth it even more.

_Weeping_Angel_ #6 Posted 14 November 2017 - 07:45 PM

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View Post_UrgleMcPurfle_, on 14 November 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

You make a very valid argument. When previously looking at the bundle all looked at was the price. However, I would personally deduct the price of gold to speed up the equipping process because I never accelerate equipping. However, even then, you're still getting a good deal.

 

​Exactly.... you are spending between $5 to $10 to get the rarity of the tank.  Remember the T59 came out for $49 with nothing extra.... no gold, no camo, no extra equipment slots opened, no spare parts saved.

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View Post_Weeping_Angel_, on 14 November 2017 - 07:41 PM, said:

 

​The difference being the RU 251 credit coefficient is 86% while the Cruel Twist is 170%.  Is it worth it to double your credit earning when playing similar tanks?  If this type of tank is fun for you to drive and you do well in, then it is worth it even more.

Credits are virtually useless in the post 3.8 game economy.  I have nearly 25,000,000.  You can have them all if you want.



BluesAllDay #8 Posted 14 November 2017 - 07:53 PM

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     I think $45 is what I paid for the O-47 during winter fair. Didn't complain about the price then and I only got lvl one equipment after 3.8. I'm still not complaining about the price. The rate I'm going back through the tiers it looks like I'll finish off the year in tier 5 with a few tier 6 thrown in, mostly all with just lvl 1 equipment. Tier 8 is just too far into the future for me and I picked the IS-6 and the Lowe out of boxs if I ever wanted a new tier 8 to play. I've heard they are both good tanks but I'm in no hurry to see it for myself because I've got a garage full of so called good tanks that I haven't played for at least half a year. For me it's not the money it's the incentive to have yet another tank I may never play. If the money isn't a problem and you want a new tank go for it. 


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View PostViper8757NC, on 14 November 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

Credits are virtually useless in the post 3.8 game economy.  I have nearly 25,000,000.  You can have them all if you want.

 

​Pretty much agree.  Mine keep going up without much if any effort.  A couple of months ago I noticed I finally had enough to buy the IS-4.  That dropped me to 3 million.  Back to 13 million now.

 

 

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I think it’s a sweet looking tank and earning more creds is always good. 

_Weeping_Angel_ #11 Posted 14 November 2017 - 08:12 PM

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View PostViper8757NC, on 14 November 2017 - 01:51 PM, said:

Credits are virtually useless in the post 3.8 game economy.  I have nearly 25,000,000.  You can have them all if you want.

 

View Postcheasesteak, on 14 November 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

 

​Pretty much agree.  Mine keep going up without much if any effort.  A couple of months ago I noticed I finally had enough to buy the IS-4.  That dropped me to 3 million.  Back to 13 million now.

 

​Not everyone is at that point in their tanking career.  I am horrible at using my exemptions tickets and tend to just buy back tanks I have unlocked at full price instead of waiting and writing out tickets for them.  I can always use more tanks to add to my collection even if they are from the tech tree.  There is always that next line that comes out and it is always nice to have a big fat bank roll of credits when they come out.

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That is exactly how WG justifies it.

 

Question are: 

Does it have to be that way?

Should players accept it?

 

I personally would rather see all tier viii premiums at $20-25 straight up in the old economy, pre 3.8 and just spend some credits on three slots of equipment. 

 

I guess we should be thrilled that it was not inflated further with boosters ... 


 

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To be honest, I am happy to pay money for a tank that won’t be nerfed. I literally almost bought the RU the night before this tank came out but investing in tech tree tanks has been so frustrating lately. I want the AMX50b and the obj268 so I can use the credits and The M41 has mobility at tier 8.  That is rare.

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View Post_Weeping_Angel_, on 14 November 2017 - 03:12 PM, said:

 

 

​Not everyone is at that point in their tanking career.  I am horrible at using my exemptions tickets and tend to just buy back tanks I have unlocked at full price instead of waiting and writing out tickets for them.  I can always use more tanks to add to my collection even if they are from the tech tree.  There is always that next line that comes out and it is always nice to have a big fat bank roll of credits when they come out.

 

Exactly.  For people like me that haven’t been playing as long and are trying to buy multiple high tier tanks, money makers are still important.    I haven’t unlocked all my skill slots yet so having extra credits to speed up the process helps also.   Plus.  It’s a sweet  looking tank 


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_Weeping_Angel_ #15 Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:01 PM

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Sorry  I messed up the math, not sure how I came up with the 320 in the post for gold/$.  My bad.  I will edit it to show when you buy a tier 8 the cheap way with a $10 and $20 gold bundle or overspend and get the $40 gold bundle for comparisons.  Sorry about the mix up for those who read it earlier.  It actually makes it look like a better deal.

 


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the problem for me is I just want the tank. They used to give you a choice.. $10.00 for just the tank. and $20.00 for the tank and a whole bunch of other stuff. 

(prices are just randomly made to illustrate a point). 

I usually can't afford to blow $40.00 on a tank. I CAN blow $25.00. I would have purchased it had I been given the option of just getting the tank itself

 


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View Postoutersketcher, on 14 November 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

the problem for me is I just want the tank. They used to give you a choice.. $10.00 for just the tank. and $20.00 for the tank and a whole bunch of other stuff. 

(prices are just randomly made to illustrate a point). 

I usually can't afford to blow $40.00 on a tank. I CAN blow $25.00. I would have purchased it had I been given the option of just getting the tank itself

 

 

​That is the other side of the coin.  The deal is a fair deal, yet still pricy.  I don't think we will be seeing those kinds of offers any more.  I think they will clump items together and try to make more per tank than let all of us own the tank.  Price pointing the items for rarity will stop some from taking even the lower priced offer.

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View Post_Weeping_Angel_, on 14 November 2017 - 07:41 PM, said:

 

​The difference being the RU 251 credit coefficient is 86% while the Cruel Twist is 170%.  Is it worth it to double your credit earning when playing similar tanks?  If this type of tank is fun for you to drive and you do well in, then it is worth it even more.

 

It's very hard to say. Credit earning was easily done in my around 20 gold tanks.

For the play style, I'm familiar with LTTB/T54 Lwt, not well on RU 251 style.

 

The Tier 8 bulldog looks so good in game, that's a good point.



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View Post_Weeping_Angel_, on 14 November 2017 - 01:08 PM, said:

 

​That is the other side of the coin.  The deal is a fair deal, yet still pricy.  I don't think we will be seeing those kinds of offers any more.  I think they will clump items together and try to make more per tank than let all of us own the tank.  Price pointing the items for rarity will stop some from taking even the lower priced offer.

Like I said if money isn't a problem and you want another tank, go for it. Only half that equation works for me. Money is by no means a problem, I just can't in good conscious buy a tank I may never play.


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I don't see the logic of justifying one inflated price by comparing it to a break down of individual price-inflated items.

 

As long as tank bundle prices are 40-50 instead of 10-ish, my wallet will remain closed.


 

 

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