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xNamelessTank #1061 Posted 21 March 2019 - 03:30 AM

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question: its still illegal to put sound mods to this game? if "yes" ill stay in *beep beeeeeep* they let me put sound mods

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RibbleStripe #1062 Posted 21 March 2019 - 11:33 AM

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Guys, i'll reply to questions a bit later. 

And for now i've got 5.8 charts.
 
Tier 10

 

Tier 9

 

Tier 8

 

And here are some buffs we plan for near future:

  • T-34-2 and T-34-3 - rate of fire;
  • KV-13 - rate of fire;
  • T37 - rate of fire;
  • T-150 - hit points;
  • tier 6 Heavies - front armor (some weak spots like hatches or machine-gun will be strengthened). 

 

 


Dark_Magician_Girl #1063 Posted 21 March 2019 - 12:02 PM

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Very interesting new charts.  The ST-1 at tier 9 seems to have moved quite a bit without any changes to the tank itself.

 

Are there any plans to restore the old pre 3.6 turret to the T62a as a buff?  It is still the the worst medium by WR and significantly by damage.  If there are plans to buff the tank, may the restoration of the pre 3.6 T62a turret be considered an option instead of buffing the gun again?

 

The Grille XV is quite weak by your charts and my own experience.  Has there been any discussion to reverse any nerfs it received in received in prior patches (gun arc, gun depression, mobility)?  The presence of the Batchat has greatly limited the Grille's use because of inherently poor camouflage.  It is my assertion that if Grille were restored to its original state, it would be balanced in the current meta.  I could even argue the gun bloom, or penetration could be buffed as well to give it a place as a true sniper in the meta.

 

The Leopard PTA takes a severe dive in damage in these charts compared to other tier 9 medium tank peers.  Are there any plans to buff the tank in terms of gun depression as a way to improve opportunities for damage?  Maybe an increase from -6 --> -7?

 

The Centurion 7/1 really struggles in tier 10 battles using the HESH gun.  Even in tier 8 battles it can be difficult to use. The vehicle has poor mobility and cannot get to flanks to utilize this weapon.  The HEAT gun is OK for penetration, but players must use calibrated shells to penetrate weak points of tier 10 heavies such as the Maus and E100.  This means the Centurion 7/1 drops DPM significantly and loses many engagements regardless of positional advantage because it lacks the DPM to compete.  Would there be a consideration to increase the top speed on flat ground to 45kph?  This would make it's speed in between the tier 8 (centurion 1) and tier 10 (FV4202).

 

 


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Dark_Magician_Girl #1064 Posted 21 March 2019 - 12:05 PM

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And I'm going to say it again, while on paper the Superpershing looks ok, there is something very wrong with it.

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View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 21 March 2019 - 07:05 AM, said:

And I'm going to say it again, while on paper the Superpershing looks ok, there is something very wrong with it.

 

My tinfoil hat suggested it works much better if you just bought it and have less than 2000 5000 total battles.

Edited by NICKEL_AND_DIME, 21 March 2019 - 01:28 PM.


Oicraftian #1066 Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:55 PM

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Or maybe instead of just crowding around armor protection you could just ask for historical 7* of gun depression which in a way increases your armor.

 

Honestly that's a much better choice for the less flexible tank.

 

Oh this is fun.

Look at SU-101. It's bar is half as high as JP II and people still say 'it is good'

Mediums are toast.

T-44 is doing surprisingly well despite being useless in competitive.

 

WG through some miracle realized, wow, the mediums with trash DPM that rely on their guns might need DPM.

Thank god.

Maybe T-34-3 won't be totally trash. T-34-2 is almost certainly beyond redemption though.


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4sfield #1067 Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:57 PM

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  Just to start with tier VIII,

 

  I’d be more concerned about the tanks nobody plays. For instance, where is the Chieftain? It’s a premium and so trashy no one plays it. Where is the T-28 autoloader data? I know it’s new but there has to be data on it. 


 

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Thank you for buffing the T-34-3!! It needs a lot of help!  I hope both the ROF and pen get buffed. Buffing the ROF will not really help without buffing the pen also. Tier 8 is dominated by heavys and too often your shooting spitwads. When you bounce in the T-34-3, it makes the tank totally useless for way too long. 

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bail_out_we_are_on_fire #1069 Posted 21 March 2019 - 04:13 PM

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View PostNICKEL_AND_DIME, on 21 March 2019 - 01:14 PM, said:

 

My tinfoil hat suggested it works much better if you just bought it and have less than 2000 5000 total battles.

 

I would say it is actually worse. I have it on both of my accounts. On this account I have less than 5000 battles. In the M26 135 battles 55.56% win rate. In the T26E4 20 battles 35 win rate and then I parked it. The T26E4 is just not competitive despite the stats. In fact it probably performs worse on this account because I am still working on crew skills. 

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View Postbail_out_we_are_on_fire, on 21 March 2019 - 08:13 AM, said:

 

I would say it is actually worse. I have it on both of my accounts. On this account I have less than 5000 battles. In the M26 135 battles 55.56% win rate. In the T26E4 20 battles 35 win rate and then I parked it. The T26E4 is just not competitive despite the stats. In fact it probably performs worse on this account because I am still working on crew skills. 

 

his point is that if you have less than 5000 career battles, you'll get matched up with more noobs that have a smaller battle count as well. Besides rerolls, people will have less knowledge of the tank and won't be aiming for the weak spots.


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View PostI_Maverick_I, on 21 March 2019 - 10:35 PM, said:

 

his point is that if you have less than 5000 career battles, you'll get matched up with more noobs that have a smaller battle count as well. Besides rerolls, people will have less knowledge of the tank and won't be aiming for the weak spots.

 

Sorry i was logged in from my other account when I replied. Not trying to be a jerk. I think it could be a valid point. I was just saying that I have the tank on both accounts. On my alt account with less than 5K where I should  be facing less experienced players the tank still struggles. 

 

I think the lack of fully trained crew skills has a significant impact on the tanks performance. That is all. 

 

The Pershing stats are just there as a control. So

 

Fangs58  M26                           Pershing 644 battles 47.98 % winrate

Bail_out_we_are_on_fire           Pershing 155 battles 55.56% winrate

 

Lets call this the reroll bump. I think this is what nickel and dime was referring to.

 

So I had the same thought. Let's run this Super P and see what happens and this that is why I took a chance. It can earn some coin when it does well. 

 

Fangs58  M26                          Super Pershing 415 battles 48.92 % winrate

60 day sample                                                     27 battles 51.85 % winrate                  

Bail_out_we_are_on_fire          Super Pershing 20 battles 35% winrate

 

But no matter how much lipstick you put on it, it is still a pig. 


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View PostChariot_Solace, on 18 March 2019 - 03:09 PM, said:

 

You said the same thing about the Kpz 70, but you still gave it a small buff anyway. Just consider buffing the Super Pershing’s gun handling please. That would do wonders. I mean, the turret armor is horrible (it gets penned with AP rounds by the lowest pen tier 7 mediums), and it gets penned with HEAT rounds through the spaced armor routinely. But it’s the gun’s bloom that really kills it. Other than mediums with 122mm guns, it has worst in class dispersion factor while moving. It can’t snap shot anything unless at point blank range. So you’re forced to aim fully which ends up making you take unnecessary damage quite often. And it has a small caliber gun which means you will almost always lose an hp trade. And it doesn’t have the mobility to dance around the flanks. It’s a difficult combination of traits to work with.

 

I did say the same thing but Kpz 70 but you can't compare it with T26E4 in popularity. T26E4 is very popular and performs fine considering its specific role.

 

View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 21 March 2019 - 01:55 AM, said:

 

If you consider decent below the 50th percentile (given the bar charts you posted on discord) I don't know what to say really.  

 

Let's keep in mind that you continued to voice the opinion in multiple rant threads/posts on the forums about the 183 being balanced given its place on the charts for "lvl 55-65% players" in its most recent pre-nerf state only to later see it get nerfed for exactly the same reasons players have been saying for over a year.

 

Ribble, I hate to be the one to put this on the table, but I have played the game far more than you have, unless you keep another account somewhere that none of us know about.  I'd like to think my feedback is in some small way meaningful after 30k+ games at 71%+.  So when I tell you that the T26E4 SuperPershing is nearing complete unviability and there is something wrong with the armor, I mean it seriously.  I'd like to be acknowledged instead of being blown off by being told "the stats say it is decent."  I'm not a 50% player who you can simply wall away with irrelevance using a stats comment as enough argument..

 

You don't need to be a meteorologist to say it's raining outside.  In the same manner, I don't need to work for the WG Blitz department, but my ethos points to being more than competent enough (rather than some random 50% who hasn't learned how to play) to say that the SuperPershing is weak.  I'd like to think that because of my experiences I'm not just some average Joe giving their uninformed opinion after 9k battles.  The concept that my opinion is being outright dismissed because of some charts that only track a small sample of the player base, I find quite disrespectful.

 

There's no way i can match your experience in this game. And your feedback is meaningful. But personal opinion can't be truth of last resort. This is why you can ignore stats because stats don't consider any personal preferences and playstyles. If stats say T26E4 is somewhere in the middle among tier 8 mediums in every category (50%, 55-65%, 65% and higher) we see no reasons to touch it somehow. You are free to consider it as weak but your opinion simply doesn't match reality.


 

 


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View PostStronkTenks, on 21 March 2019 - 02:45 AM, said:

 

I would say that the Centurion 1 is decent, but the playstyle is really dependent on team play, which in the current state, means it can't carry, which gives a negative perception.

 

The thing is a house on wheels. Decent RoF, but if you get into a brawl with other mediums, you'll loose, and you're slower than many heavies in it which is pretty pathetic. As long as you put the gun to use, it's good, but overall it's really not something i'd play.

 

Mediums are most skill depending vehicles in the game. Some of your remarks are peculiar to majority of them. And some of those vehicles might be a bad option for 1on1 duel. That should me kept in mind when playing Centurion. 

 

View Postfangs58, on 21 March 2019 - 05:20 AM, said:

 

Stats can be made to say whatever you want them to say. So maybe you should stop sharing flawed stats till you have the time to review the validity of your current model. 

 

According to other players activity here they are pretty interested in discussing the topic. So maybe you should stop wasting your time commenting flawed stats? And we'll keep doing what we do.

 

 


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View PostxNamelessTank, on 21 March 2019 - 06:30 AM, said:

question: its still illegal to put sound mods to this game? if "yes" ill stay in *beep beeeeeep* they let me put sound mods

 

Nothing changed in our mods policy. Mods giving ingame advantage are forbidden and lead to ban. 

 

 


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View Post4sfield, on 21 March 2019 - 04:57 PM, said:

  Just to start with tier VIII,

 

  I’d be more concerned about the tanks nobody plays. For instance, where is the Chieftain? It’s a premium and so trashy no one plays it. Where is the T-28 autoloader data? I know it’s new but there has to be data on it. 

 

Those 2 are below 1% popularity. Chieftain stats are equal to IS-5, T28 Defender is between WZ-111-1G and JagdTiger 88. 

 

 


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Good morning ribble

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 22 March 2019 - 09:08 AM, said

 

 

According to other players activity here they are pretty interested in discussing the topic. So maybe you should stop wasting your time commenting flawed stats? And we'll keep doing what we do.

I am done commenting on this. But I am copying and pasting this reply and pasting right next to my wallet. 

 


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Ribble, if WG wanted a good way to ruin tiers 6 through 8, the Smasher was a brilliant solution. Those tiers are miserable garbage now.

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View PostBefallen2, on 22 March 2019 - 07:53 PM, said:

Ribble, if WG wanted a good way to ruin tiers 6 through 8, the Smasher was a brilliant solution. Those tiers are miserable garbage now.

 

agreed

 


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View PostBefallen2, on 22 March 2019 - 07:53 PM, said:

Ribble, if WG wanted a good way to ruin tiers 6 through 8, the Smasher was a brilliant solution. Those tiers are miserable garbage now.

 

I don't see it. I have it I really haven't played it but once. To me its not the KV2. To me no tank is op alone.




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