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zeur0sis #1181 Posted 22 July 2019 - 04:45 PM

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 22 July 2019 - 02:24 AM, said:

6.0 chars arrived a bit later than we expected. However here they are.

 

Tier 8

 

Tier 9

 

Tier 10

 

Some of upcoming changes were revealed in our latest stream.

  • We are going to buff STB-1 (armor), Ferdinand (HP storage), Panther M10 (penetration), T23E3 (penetration), T71 (reload time, HP storage).
  • AMX Foch is getting alternate gun (autoloader). 
  • Nerfs - KV-1 (armor and reload time), KV-2 (HE penetration), FV4004 (HP storage, reload time, accuracy and aiming).


There’s been a lot of discussion about if/how much the charioteer was OP (which obviously it was).  How aware was Wargaming of its unbalance when the charioteer was initially released?   Did Wargaming release a tank this unbalanced to create hype for the new British line?


 

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as15eternal #1182 Posted 22 July 2019 - 04:45 PM

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Does Anyone Know when update will drop and how can i earn a cvc helmet avatar 

as15eternal #1183 Posted 22 July 2019 - 04:50 PM

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_ArmoredGlassCannon #1184 Posted 23 July 2019 - 01:48 AM

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View Postas15eternal, on 22 July 2019 - 04:45 PM, said:

Does Anyone Know when update will drop and how can i earn a cvc helmet avatar 

 

Dunno when it will drop, but I can only assume next month or so. As for the avatar, I honestly dont know.


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wannabeunicum #1185 Posted 23 July 2019 - 01:50 AM

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Hot take. The charioteer wasn't that broken and its just WG's horrible stat analysis and balancing methods that make it look that broken.

4sfield #1186 Posted 23 July 2019 - 03:58 AM

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View Post_ArmoredGlassCannon, on 22 July 2019 - 08:48 PM, said:

 

Dunno when it will drop, but I can only assume next month or so. As for the avatar, I honestly dont know.


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RibbleStripe #1187 Posted 23 July 2019 - 07:43 AM

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View Postas15eternal, on 22 July 2019 - 07:45 PM, said:

Does Anyone Know when update will drop and how can i earn a cvc helmet avatar 

 

It goes inside Steam bundles.

 

View Postwannabeunicum, on 23 July 2019 - 04:50 AM, said:

Hot take. The charioteer wasn't that broken and its just WG's horrible stat analysis and balancing methods that make it look that broken.

 

Of course. You have more damage on it than on E100, IS-4, BatChat and Object 140 because of our horrible stat analysis. 

It feels good to have such stats, doesn't it? Don't worry, you'll have some time to enjoy it :)


 

 


shyw #1188 Posted 23 July 2019 - 11:04 PM

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 23 July 2019 - 07:43 AM, said:

 

It goes inside Steam bundles.

 

 

Of course. You have more damage on it than on E100, IS-4, BatChat and Object 140 because of our horrible stat analysis. 

It feels good to have such stats, doesn't it? Don't worry, you'll have some time to enjoy it :)


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a15eteRnalTanker #1189 Posted 24 July 2019 - 12:15 AM

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 23 July 2019 - 07:43 AM, said:

 

It goes inside Steam bundles.

 

 

Of course. You have more damage on it than on E100, IS-4, BatChat and Object 140 because of our horrible stat analysis. 

It feels good to have such stats, doesn't it? Don't worry, you'll have some time to enjoy it :)


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a15eteRnalTanker #1190 Posted 24 July 2019 - 12:16 AM

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But There’s no way else if you play on ipad

BorisBaddenov #1191 Posted 24 July 2019 - 02:08 PM

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View Posta15eteRnalTanker, on 23 July 2019 - 04:16 PM, said:

But There’s no way else if you play on ipad

So what?  It is just another useless Avatar.

 

 

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 23 July 2019 - 02:43 AM, said:

 

It goes inside Steam bundles.

 

 

Of course. You have more damage on it than on E100, IS-4, BatChat and Object 140 because of our horrible stat analysis. 

It feels good to have such stats, doesn't it? Don't worry, you'll have some time to enjoy it :)

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View PostBorisBaddenov, on 24 July 2019 - 09:08 AM, said:

So what?  It is just another useless Avatar.

 

 

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wannabeunicum #1194 Posted 26 July 2019 - 03:58 AM

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 23 July 2019 - 07:43 AM, said:

 

It goes inside Steam bundles.

 

 

Of course. You have more damage on it than on E100, IS-4, BatChat and Object 140 because of our horrible stat analysis. 

It feels good to have such stats, doesn't it? Don't worry, you'll have some time to enjoy it :)

And?
Doesn't mean your stats analysis isn't horrible and can be heavily weighted.  When you guys buffed the Ferdinand it was seen in the stats as one of the MOST op tanks at tier 8. Yet literally not a single player complained about. Why was it OP? Simple because very good players returned to it which skewed the playerbase closer to 65% rather than 55%. Why not just use tank winrate curves. 

 

Also good idea taking a player in the top 1% to prove a tanks automatically OP. Give it to anybody in the bottom 90% and it would act mostly normal with a bit of higher damage.


Edited by wannabeunicum, 26 July 2019 - 04:01 AM.


a15eteRnalTanker #1195 Posted 26 July 2019 - 11:52 PM

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when will update drop

AOT_Jaeger2 #1196 Posted 28 July 2019 - 05:41 AM

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View Postwannabeunicum, on 25 July 2019 - 10:58 PM, said:

And?
Doesn't mean your stats analysis isn't horrible and can be heavily weighted.  When you guys buffed the Ferdinand it was seen in the stats as one of the MOST op tanks at tier 8. Yet literally not a single player complained about. Why was it OP? Simple because very good players returned to it which skewed the playerbase closer to 65% rather than 55%. Why not just use tank winrate curves. 

 

Also good idea taking a player in the top 1% to prove a tanks automatically OP. Give it to anybody in the bottom 90% and it would act mostly normal with a bit of higher damage.


Man, if you patted yourself on the back any harder, you’d break your own spine. The Ferdinand is not, and never has been one of the best Tier 8s in the game, even though I like it. You might as well have played the Jagdpanther II 9/10 times when compared to the Ferdinand prior to the buff. Moreover, win rates of a tank are only one very very minor component in determining whether or not a tank is too strong or too weak, one of the least relevant I would say. Some of the better players in Blitz could carry 50% of their games to a victory regardless of tank, while another portion of the player base would be pretty much guaranteed to contribute little or nothing, even with the most powerful tank in the game and generous matchmaking.

 

Whether or not that tank is dealing damage, killing tanks, and surviving to tell the tale also factors in. Looking in at average statistics, the Charioteer leads all other British tanks at the tier in every category, and by almost 300 damage in DPG when compared to the next highest (the AT 15, a strong contender at Tier VIII nonetheless), and when compared to all Tier VIII TDs it only ranks behind the WZ 120G, T28 Defender, and Skorpion G in WR, but still beats the others in pretty much every other category; only losing out to the 120G and Skorpion (by a Hair) on DPG, and it’s the only Tier VIII TD period to cross the 1 KPB threshold at 1.005 kills per battle on average. It only loses in KDR and DR to the 120G, and again by only a small margin.

 

So basically, this tank isn’t the most overpowered Tier VIII TD because the Faketank exists. Period. It kills tanks more often, deals more damage per game than 99% of the competitors, all while having the lowest average number of battles played by far. Seriously, it has barely more than half the average battle count of the next lowest tank.

 

Just give it a rest and acknowledge you just don’t want to stop stomping Tier VIII pubs with this OP machine.


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RibbleStripe #1197 Posted 29 July 2019 - 08:00 AM

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View Postwannabeunicum, on 26 July 2019 - 06:58 AM, said:

Also good idea taking a player in the top 1% to prove a tanks automatically OP. Give it to anybody in the bottom 90% and it would act mostly normal with a bit of higher damage.

 

I'm not proving anything. I just compared your tier 8 stats and your tier 10 stats. If you are okay with tier 8 damage higher than tier 10, you are already unicum. In logics.


 

 


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Although I agree with nerfing high ceiling tanks like charioteer, and yes good players out performed in that tank.. all of this wouldn't have happened if balance team (no better way to say this) did their job in balancing. Why is it a paper tanks that we struggle with?

Reminding of sp1c .. first light tanks ever but soon gotten nerfed because good players were over performing.  Good players will always perform better in paper tanks compare to rest of us.

Now nerfing fire power on glass canons makes it not very fun to play glass canons.  While point is to have no armor but good gun.

While rest of us struggle in paper tanks after "balancing" good players move on to the next said to be OP tank.

That's where a winrate curve will help.. use population's wr to balance ... 65% have low population than 55%ers


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Hey ribble,  Are there any plans to change MM,RNG and other factors? Are there any plans also to change or add more crew skills? Do you have a time frame on the next update? Do you have a time frame on the next event?

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 29 July 2019 - 08:00 AM, said:

 

I'm not proving anything. I just compared your tier 8 stats and your tier 10 stats. If you are okay with tier 8 damage higher than tier 10, you are already unicum. In logics.


when is the update 






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