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Vantablack12 #1241 Posted 14 October 2019 - 01:22 PM

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View Post__Frostbite, on 13 October 2019 - 04:13 PM, said:

The day the Grille is buffed, is the day justice is finally made at Tier X. It's suffered for over 2 years.

I've been doing fairly good in my Grille lately, but a camo and mobility buff would be much appreciated.


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__Frostbite #1242 Posted 15 October 2019 - 04:32 PM

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View PostVantablack12, on 14 October 2019 - 05:22 AM, said:

I've been doing fairly good in my Grille lately, but a camo and mobility buff would be much appreciated.

 

Several ways to buff the Grille:

 

- better camo rating

-better track traverse

-better bloom while rotating/moving (pls)

-better reverse speed

-10 degrees of gun depression all around gun arc, or at least not 5 in the front

-180 degree arc, 90 on both sides

-360 degree arc, 180 on both sides

-better AP, HEAT, and HE pen

-750 alpha (PC alpha)

-faster aim time


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View Post__Frostbite, on 15 October 2019 - 11:32 AM, said:

 

Several ways to buff the Grille:

 

- better camo rating

-better track traverse

-better bloom while rotating/moving (pls)

-better reverse speed

-10 degrees of gun depression all around gun arc, or at least not 5 in the front

-180 degree arc, 90 on both sides

-360 degree arc, 180 on both sides

-better AP, HEAT, and HE pen

-750 alpha (PC alpha)

-faster aim time

IMO all they need to do is just massively buff the Grille penetration up to the old Jgpz pen; 295/420.
 

Grille ought to be the kind of TD that when properly positioned; will shred through heavy tanks, but it should be forced to play at range; balance factors like bad camo, bad gun handling, limited gun arc, and gun depression help make sure that it can't just be used like a medium with a huge gun (which would be kinda dumb)


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View Post__Frostbite, on 13 October 2019 - 11:13 PM, said:

The day the Grille is buffed, is the day justice is finally made at Tier X. It's suffered for over 2 years.


Amen, brother.


 


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Will the lame camo on the nightmare disappear after Halloween?

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The Grille is the worst tank in tier X and possibly the worst tank in the game above tier 5. It can’t do anything but snipe and it doesn’t even have the concealment rating to do that consistently effectively since it gets spotted so incredibly easily. Why does something like  the object 268 get good armor, good mobility and traverse, awesome concealment, excellent penetration, better bloom, and good gun depression? It’s literal only drawback is no turret.
 

The Grille has more drawbacks than it does hit points (Which btw is worst in class.) t’s a joke. Awful concealment, awful traverse, awful bloom, awful armor that gets penetrated with HE by literally every tank in the game, awful gun depression (which according to Blitzhangar is 4 degrees not five) combined with a very tall profile (You don’t even have to be touching it to exploit this and prevent it from shooting you. Just be in it’s general vicinity.) There are few spots it can use. It has to aim fully to hit anything consistently. It has the worst durability in tier X and it is the worst brawling tank in the game. And for a tank destroyer, the pen isn’t even good. It even has worse penetration on its HE rounds than every other high tier 150mm gun. Why? Because it has a turret? You mean the half third of a turret it gets when you factor in the gun arc, gun depression, and traverse that hamper it? Worried about it being like a medium with a big gun?
 

What about the FV4005? It has bigger single shot alpha than half of same tier heavy tanks and with an autoloader with the highest clip potential in the game. It has an actual half turret that faces 90 degrees either direction with ten degrees of gun depression all around. This is coupled with better traverse, terrain resistances and reverse speed. And that isn’t even including the totally broken and unnecessary improved engine boost that lets it relocate as good or better than any medium and makes it near impossible to circle even if it is caught out in the open. It also gets better pen on both standard and gold rounds, better bloom, and armor that isn’t as susceptible HE rounds. But wait, that isn’t enough so it also gets a spall liner that pretty much negates HE damage from anything except from very large caliber tank destroyer guns and even those rolls are heavily reduced enough to where they aren’t much of a worry. Did I mention it also has better concealment too? It can use just about any spot it wants. It can flank with the meds. It can snipe. It can relocate. It can brawl. It basically is a medium with a big gun. An autoloading gun. It is infinitely more flexible and dangerous than the Grille. 
 

And I haven’t even talked about the WT auf PZ IV which is also infinitely more flexible than the Grille, a tier lower in the same friggin tank line. Full turret. Great gun depression all around. Good traverse. Good mobility. Actual good concealment like an HE magnet tank destroyer needs. It can snipe and remain hidden. It can work ridge lines. It can flank or relocate easily. It can brawl if it needs to. It can put in shots while running away. Etc. Again, pretty much a paper medium with a big gun. It makes no sense to go from this to the Grille. 
 

Why are these tanks ok with WG as is while the Grille is left behind pitifully inflexible? Flexibility nerfs to the Rhm and WT auf Pz IV were reversed quite a while ago now and yet the Grille remains untouched. There is no logic in it at all. Fix the Grille. It is pathetic in it’s current state.


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6.3 stats.

 

Tier 8

 

Tier 9

 

Tier 10

 


 

 


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View PostRibbleStripe, on 28 October 2019 - 03:39 AM, said:

6.3 stats.

 

Tier 8

 

Tier 9

 

Tier 10

 

I sense a nerf to the Italian tanks.


Edited by Vantablack12, 28 October 2019 - 01:04 PM.

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OMG nice balance on the Italian tanks LOL

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It's not like we're surprised, but c'mon. Every new line is broken OP at the start, whales spend tons of money on gold, credits, and free xp to max out these tanks right as they come out, and they get mega nerfed two updates later so that they're mediocre or good enough at best, like the FV4005 line. Supercell does this with new legendary cards they introduce. We can connect the dots.

 

Also, tanks that get substantial buffs like the Tiger II and the Conqueror always end up as the best tank of that tier and type. I mean, It's kind of dumb. It shouldn't be that hard to realize roughly how much a buff will impact the tank and its performance in battle. I can't wait to see in the 6.4 charts how the K-91 is performing, which got an unprecedented alpha buff.  


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The Grille is a steaming pile of poop right now. Its best traits currently are:


"missing at point blank range because you only aimed in 90% of the way"

"getting face hugged by a Batchat and watching your rounds sail a meter over its turret"

"having a IS-4 circle you"

"getting HESHed from 300 meters for 1625 damage and an engine fire"

 

Did I forget anything? Of course I did, gotta leave the best for last...

 

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Meanwhile Leopard 1, 62A, and 121B are at the bottom of the heap.  Don't even get me started on the tier 9 VK, which has been bad since inception.

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View Post__Frostbite, on 28 October 2019 - 01:04 PM, said:

The Grille is a steaming pile of poop right now. Its best traits currently are:


"missing at point blank range because you only aimed in 90% of the way"

"getting face hugged by a Batchat and watching your rounds sail a meter over its turret"

"having a IS-4 circle you"

"getting HESHed from 300 meters for 1625 damage and an engine fire"

 

Did I forget anything? Of course I did, gotta leave the best for last...

 

"having this abusive treatment continue for over two years and counting..."

I can attest to this.


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Looks like Tiger2 will lose some armor and Foch will get a nerf.

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View PostDark_Magician_Girl, on 28 October 2019 - 06:43 PM, said:

 121B are at the bottom of the heap.  

 



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View PostVantablack12, on 28 October 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

I sense a nerf to the Italian tanks.

 

If they keep performing like this with growing popularity - yes, it's gonna happen. 

 


 

 


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View PostRibbleStripe, on 29 October 2019 - 02:13 AM, said:

 

If they keep performing like this with growing popularity - yes, it's gonna happen. 

 

 

Can I interpret this statement to mean: Not this update?


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View PostBefallen2, on 28 October 2019 - 07:49 PM, said:

Looks like Tiger2 will lose some armor and Foch will get a nerf.

NOOOO not the Tiger! Please!!!!


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View Postreluctanttheist, on 29 October 2019 - 12:43 PM, said:

How is the Conqueror that good? :amazed:

 

The new consumables have improved it a lot, but at its essence, it's got an great gun with a platform that can actually utilize it pretty well


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