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[RibbleStripe]

RonaldusMaximus_, on 29 October 2019 - 04:59 PM, said:

 

Can I interpret this statement to mean: Not this update?

 

Of course. Decision about adjusting new line can't be taken unless it becomes popular enough. It's obvious that new tanks are researched with free XP right away by lots of players. We can't rely on their stats only. 

[Texas_Tyrant]

Has Wot Blitz secretly nerfed Scavenger? I, and a few others within my clan  have noticed that the armor is softer when side scraping and the penetration (90 pen) is worse on than the Tier IV Hetzer for the Shellthrower turret, and the average damage per a shot has dropped to about 220 per a shot, instead of 250. es, you do get the occasional 250 or 275 damage shot but its more like 1 out of every 5 shots. I have over 340 battles in this tank and know that its not just me, others with the clan have noticed the same thing. Anyone else notice a Scavenger nerf or drop in performance?

[Texas_Tyrant]

Markus_The0, on 04 October 2019 - 03:48 AM, said:

Greetings RibbleStripe! 

 

A good many tier II, III, and IV collector tanks have around 30% less dpm than the tech tree tier II, III, and IV tanks. For example:

 

All 7 tier III tech tree tanks (this is dpm without equipment--just base dpm):

 

M5 Stuart: 751 dpm

BT-7: 799 dpm

Cruiser IV: 713 dpm

Type 97 Chi-Ha: 740 dpm

Type 2597 Chi-Ha: 740 dpm

14 TP: 750 dpm

D2: 660

 

7 addition tier III collector tanks, for comparison (this is base dpm, like before):

 

Pz. s35: 500 dpm

Pz. II G: 545 dpm

LTP: 501 dpm

BT-SV: 480 dpm

M3 Light: 480 dpm

UE 57: 501 dpm

Pz. 38(t): 579 dpm

 

Will this difference among low tier tanks be monitored and addressed as time goes on? Thanks!

 

Sometimes it is fun to go re-live my good old memories of my early days in Blitz at tiers II, III, and IV in my favorite tanks from long ago--that's why I am asking. 

Yes, when will the lower tier collector tanks be buffed? The T-46 has been so horribly nerfed like other tanks its unplayable. Proof, you may ask? 

There's your proof:

https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/t-46

 

The T-46's tier 5 gun the SH-37 A deal a measly 524 damage a minute while the BT-7 deal 879 damage a minute!!! There are tons of other tanks also that I am sure were nerfed beyond playing. I'm over the tanks being nerfed. I can't really change that, but still, it would be awesome to play a tier III collector tank that is actually playable. That SH-37 A is worse than the tier I T-26 30K gun which deals 585 damage a minute.  This is NOT a tier V gun as it is labeled and needs a BIG buff along with the other nerfed lower tier tanks. Any comments? 

Edited by Texas_Tyrant, 02 November 2019 - 03:15 AM.

[Dark_Magician_Girl]

M103 and VKB are very poor

[Posit1ve_]

IS-7 has been like the worst tier 10 heavy in damage per battle for like the past half year, and one of the worst in winrate too. Any chance for an IS-7 buff?

[__Frostbite]

I agree, the IS-7 is one of the most powercrept tanks at Tier 10. Its gun and the armor are just massive letdowns. It's much harder to accumulate damage in this tank because of the gun's penetration or accuracy issues, and the armor is not that hard to penetrate anymore. This tank pales in comparison to the IS-4, which has way better survivability and a much better gun.

[Markus_The0]

Greetings, my fellow tankers and RibbleStripe!

 

RibbleStripe, I wanted to say a big thank you for the low tier re-balance that came in update 6.4.  That was super helpful for those eight low-tier collector vehicles that got buffed, and for that we are very grateful! There are still a good many tier II, III and IV collector tanks that have about 30% less damage per minute than the tech tree tier II, III, and IV tanks, though.

 

Last time I mentioned this topic I gave tier III as the example. Now I'll use tier II as the example.

 

All 7 tier II tech tree tanks (once again, this is base dpm, without any equipment)

 

LT vz. 38: 626 dpm

10TP: 698 dpm

Pz.Kpfw. 35(t): 545 dpm

BT-2: 698 dpm

M3 Stuart: 540 dpm

AMX 38: 643 dpm

Chi-Ni: 577 dpm

Average: 618 dpm

 

7 tier II collector tanks, for comparison (as usual, base dpm):

 

Cruiser Mk. 1: 449 dpm

D1: 400 dpm

AT-1: 430 dpm

Tetrarch: 462 dpm

UC 2-pdr: 417 dpm

T7 Car: 479 dpm

Vickers Medium Mk. 3: 449 dpm

Average: 440 dpm

 

I know balance is not only about damage per minute, but I definitely notice this about 30% difference  in dpm when I try to play my low tier collector tanks and when I look at them here on paper. Therefore, I do hope further careful consideration will be given to the balance of low tier vehicles.Thank you all for your time! 

Edited by Markus_The0, 24 November 2019 - 09:55 AM.

[RommelTanker]

So Ribble what's the thought process on giving the T-62A 8 degrees of gun depression on the 6.6 test server? Considering the T-62 already has better performance over the Obj 140 and a better turret, I don't feel like it needs 8 degrees. Maybe change the T-62A's depression to 6 and give the 140 the 8 degrees, because as it stands now the only advantage the 140 has over the 62A is superior gun handling and the fact AP has less penetration drop off. 

[Chariot_Solace]

RommelTanker, on 25 November 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

So Ribble what's the thought process on giving the T-62A 8 degrees of gun depression on the 6.6 test server? Considering the T-62 already has better performance over the Obj 140 and a better turret, I don't feel like it needs 8 degrees. Maybe change the T-62A's depression to 6 and give the 140 the 8 degrees, because as it stands now the only advantage the 140 has over the 62A is superior gun handling and the fact AP has less penetration drop off. 

Well, the 140 has better hull armor and top speed. The upper glacis is angled more and the side armor is thicker and curved. And don’t forget about normalization. AP shells have the best normalization of all shell types. 
 

That said, 8 degrees does raise some eyebrows for sure.

[Chariot_Solace]

Dark_Magician_Girl, on 07 November 2019 - 02:46 PM, said:

M103 and VKB are very poor

The VK B needs 120mm of side armor to fill its role properly. To make up for the awkwardness of a rear turret and to give it a little more margin for error in angling situations. 

[Texas_Tyrant]

T46 needs buff

 

T46: 512 dpm

 

BT7: 859 dpm

 

This is a difference of 347 dpm. Which is a lot. Compared to the other tanks the T46 is more of a burden to a team than a help because there is no real benefits compared to the other tanks in any thing.

[_Zakalwe_]

RommelTanker, on 25 November 2019 - 04:20 PM, said:

So Ribble what's the thought process on giving the T-62A 8 degrees of gun depression on the 6.6 test server? Considering the T-62 already has better performance over the Obj 140 and a better turret, I don't feel like it needs 8 degrees. Maybe change the T-62A's depression to 6 and give the 140 the 8 degrees, because as it stands now the only advantage the 140 has over the 62A is superior gun handling and the fact AP has less penetration drop off. 

 

An interesting tidbit I once read on a WoT PC site, APCR loses penetration more than AP except when it’s the primary or standard ammo. I assumed this applied to Blitz also. More recently, I tried to find out using Blitzhangar but after checking a few tanks it seemed to be all over the map. I presume there’s some logic but I’m not so invested that I want to take the time to figure it out. 

 

Also, penetration loss for ...

T-62A’s APCR = 2.04%

140’s AP = 2.92%

 

... according to Blitzhangar, which counters the 140’s normalisation advantage.

[DeathFiesta]

Markus_The0, on 24 November 2019 - 04:52 AM, said

All 7 tier II tech tree tanks (once again, this is base dpm, without any equipment)

 

LT vz. 38: 626 dpm

10TP: 698 dpm

Pz.Kpfw. 35(t): 545 dpm

BT-2: 698 dpm

M3 Stuart: 540 dpm

AMX 38: 643 dpm

Chi-Ni: 577 dpm

Average: 618 dpm

 

7 addition tier III collector tanks, for comparison (this is base dpm, like before):

 

Pz. s35: 500 dpm

Pz. II G: 545 dpm

LTP: 501 dpm

BT-SV: 480 dpm

M3 Light: 480 dpm

UE 57: 501 dpm

Pz. 38(t): 579 dpm

 

 

So Tier TWO tanks have better dpm than collector Tier THREE tanks.   Ugh.

[RibbleStripe]

This time we have stats for 2 versions. And tradition of leaking upcoming adjustments is back. 

 

6.4

 

Tier 10

 

 

Tier 9

 

 

Tier 8

 

 

6.5

 

Tier 10

 

 

Tier 9

 

 

Tier 8

 

 

Changes for near future:

121B - rate of fire buff;

Grille 15 - concealment after shot buff;

FV215B - HP storage nerf;

Foch 155 - damage per shot nerf and rate of fire buff;

Progetto 65 - dynamics, accuracy, aiming and stabilization nerf;

Standard B - accuracy and stabilization nerf.

[tanker070]

I like the news of these nerfs.

It does concerns me that.when it comes to nerfs (remembering Grille nerf) too many variables at once where adjusted with bit much enthusiasm from Dev team.

Any time when too many variables are adjusted you are not balancing imo.. detailed work here is needed.

 

Good news is that... Grille is finally getting looked after in a small way.

Gun constraints of Grille 15 need to be restored back if not the mobility.

[__Frostbite]

Finally a Grille buff! 

 

[Vantablack12]

__Frostbite, on 16 December 2019 - 09:52 AM, said:

Finally a Grille buff! 

 

Hooray!!

[wrecker1968]

They cut the grille's juggler vein. And now they're going to put a little band-aid to try to cover it up? I hope that's enough.

[Texas_Tyrant]

RibbleStripe, on 16 December 2019 - 01:21 PM, said:

This time we have stats for 2 versions. And tradition of leaking upcoming adjustments is back. 

 

6.4

 

Tier 10

 

 

Tier 9

 

 

Tier 8

 

 

6.5

 

Tier 10

 

 

Tier 9

 

 

Tier 8

 

 

Changes for near future:

121B - rate of fire buff;

Grille 15 - concealment after shot buff;

FV215B - HP storage nerf;

Foch 155 - damage per shot nerf and rate of fire buff;

Progetto 65 - dynamics, accuracy, aiming and stabilization nerf;

Standard B - accuracy and stabilization nerf

 

Where's the buff for the collector tier 3 tanks? Tier 2 does more damage than these tier 3, ugh that's disgusting. The dpm on the TIER 3 needs to be higher than the tier 2 tanks for crying out loud!

[Markus_The0]

Texas_Tyrant, on 16 December 2019 - 02:31 PM, said:

 

Where's the buff for the collector tier 3 tanks? Tier 2 does more damage than these tier 3, ugh that's disgusting. The dpm on the TIER 3 needs to be higher than the tier 2 tanks for crying out loud!

 

Quite slowly but surely, the low tier collector vehicles are being buffed and re-adjusted to keep up with their tech tree counterparts. Sometimes the changes to these low tier tanks are not listed in the in-game news article about an update, but if you read the full article about balance changes in the news section on wotblitz.com, then you sometimes find that they have buffed some of the low tier collector vehicles in an update. I do think its important to keep issues we care about in the spot light. I'm definitely with you on the fact that some low tier collector vehicles still need adjustments.

 

I'm just glad they haven't actually forgotten about the tanks that got so many of us into tanking at the start of the game--even if the pace they're buffing those tanks is kind of slow. Low tier collector vehicles are important to us, but I understand if they're not the developer team's first priority, as we as the player base do not play these tanks as often higher tier vehicles.

 

@RibbleStripe, I can't say enough, though, how happy it makes us to be able to play our old-friend collector tanks from our first days in Blitz every once in a while.  Thank you for continuing to keep an eye on the low tier collector tanks' situation.

Edited by Markus_The0, 16 December 2019 - 10:02 PM.