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cheesehead247365 #1321 Posted 07 February 2020 - 08:36 PM

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 06 February 2020 - 04:19 AM, said:

  • Reducing APCR penetration will cause these light tanks to play their direct role on the battlefield—instead of penetrating heavies from the top.

What?   



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View Postcheesehead247365, on 07 February 2020 - 03:36 PM, said:

What?   

He meant frontally. 
 

 



 
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View Postboris55555, on 07 February 2020 - 08:29 AM, said:

Thank you for the response. Thank you for the nerf I guess. However, the unintended lookout bar exploit is the main problem with the tank. Sure it was overpowered when released but we can all deal with that because generally over time nerfs and buffs balance somewhat with a few exceptions. 
 

the number one issue with the tier 9 in particular is that it is overpowered and has the ability to have a super powered aim cheat. We were told by the testers that this was not how the aim was intended and that they failed to find this bug in testing. 
 

is there a technical reason the cheat aim couldn’t be removed with this update? 


The exploit you keep referred to isn’t nearly as easy or as reliably as you say. 
   They are aware - and I am sure will track Touch v KBM performance in the tank to see if this is as significant an issue as some make out.   
 

While I’ve been out of game for the week - I will state that I’ve only ever seen missile mechanics be effective in clan scrimmages. 
  I suspect that after some tournaments come out - that if touch look lit launching is really an issue that it will get dealt with.  
 

* I play on iPad - I don’t lookout launch - but I do think that it’s not a fair option.  



 
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boris55555 #1324 Posted 08 February 2020 - 05:03 AM

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View Post__Crusader6__, on 07 February 2020 - 08:50 PM, said:


The exploit you keep referred to isn’t nearly as easy or as reliably as you say. 
   They are aware - and I am sure will track Touch v KBM performance in the tank to see if this is as significant an issue as some make out.   
 

While I’ve been out of game for the week - I will state that I’ve only ever seen missile mechanics be effective in clan scrimmages. 
  I suspect that after some tournaments come out - that if touch look lit launching is really an issue that it will get dealt with.  
 

* I play on iPad - I don’t lookout launch - but I do think that it’s not a fair option.  


I know and we’ve been over this ground before. I’m not a unicum. I can’t take too many cheat shots whether it’s lucky, occasional or spammed by the gifted. And there are a bunch of us out there. Get gud. Welp, I’m almost good and some cheat rig f’s up the game for me and my ilk. 
 

I can learn and adjust to a changing meta and new op tanks with buffs and nerfs. Magic missiles I can’t abide if even only on occasion. Wallet shut and 3 more tiers meh along with the ruined bottom 5. I’ve got the fantasy tier and the low tier that faces fantasy tanks.

 

we shall see what this nerf brings but the cheat aim is [edited]. “Working as (NOT) intended.”

 

 


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boris55555 #1325 Posted 08 February 2020 - 05:06 AM

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Sorry, can’t wrap my head around wg not addressing the look out bar exploit. 
***6.7/6.8 have damaged the game. Please come quick with a fix***
Oh -- and they really don't want to admit that Missiles were a mistake  -  they died on the hill that was update 3.8  - and they will die on this hill of Missiles as well.” B Prime

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KabukiJack #1326 Posted 08 February 2020 - 09:19 AM

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Well said Boris55555, both posts. Like the description of Tier 7 and 6, don't even have to think about which ones you were referring to. LOL

Si1verBlood #1327 Posted 08 February 2020 - 01:22 PM

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Any chances the S P I C gets a buff? Better clip reload time or the the interclip buff OR another shell in the clip?

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View Post__Crusader6__, on 22 February 2020 - 03:58 PM, said:

Accept that bad players are a feature of the game.   

 


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View PostSi1verBlood, on 08 February 2020 - 01:22 PM, said:

Any chances the S P I C gets a buff? Better clip reload time or the the interclip buff OR another shell in the clip?

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boris55555 #1329 Posted 09 February 2020 - 05:23 AM

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Ribble, Ribble, Ribble. Can you explain more about why wg is keeping the aim exploit in game?

 

was it wrong when we were told it was an unexpected way to work the aim?

 

has wg not seen the trick shots? 180 turns? 

 


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Si1verBlood #1330 Posted 09 February 2020 - 01:38 PM

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View Postwrecker1968, on 08 February 2020 - 10:03 PM, said:

 In the hands of a Experience player, The S P I C, Can truly be a formidable foe.

as in any other tank


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View Post__Crusader6__, on 22 February 2020 - 03:58 PM, said:

Accept that bad players are a feature of the game.   

 


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View Postboris55555, on 08 February 2020 - 12:03 AM, said:

 

we shall see what this nerf brings but the cheat aim is [edited]. “Working as (NOT) intended.”

 

 

And this is where you'd be wrong.

 

WG knows that shots over cover are possible, they showcased it in their trailer for them. Not only do they know this, but they also actively seem to want it, since the missiles were buffed to be more reliable, more effective, and easier to use after the test version of the Sheridan, since the testers barely used any missiles at all


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View PostPosit1ve_, on 09 February 2020 - 07:19 PM, said:

And this is where you'd be wrong.

 

WG knows that shots over cover are possible, they showcased it in their trailer for them. Not only do they know this, but they also actively seem to want it, since the missiles were buffed to be more reliable, more effective, and easier to use after the test version of the Sheridan, since the testers barely used any missiles at all


idk. C6 seem to suggest the use of the look out bar was not anticipated.

 

the missile mechanic implementation was loud stupid on these op tanks.

 

didn't I  just see you on discord complaining about the missile tanks?

 

wg needs to get their heads out of their ***** and repair this. 
 

 

 

 


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The outrage seems similar to 3.8. This plus 5.5 is continuing to render large swaths of this game unplayable.
***6.7/6.8 have damaged the game. Please come quick with a fix***
Oh -- and they really don't want to admit that Missiles were a mistake  -  they died on the hill that was update 3.8  - and they will die on this hill of Missiles as well.” B Prime

Here’s to hoping for increased communication and a return to balance.B5

 

 

 


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“<@!372548604927410190> At the end of the day, if a mechanic is about hitting people behind cover, it's a stupid mechanic that should be removed”
***6.7/6.8 have damaged the game. Please come quick with a fix***
Oh -- and they really don't want to admit that Missiles were a mistake  -  they died on the hill that was update 3.8  - and they will die on this hill of Missiles as well.” B Prime

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With all due respect...
you cant call it balance if the feature that bothered 7 continents of players.  I have earned my way to tier10's over all these years, and now those same tanks are rendered useless because the new thing doesnt care about cover or armor.. and has heat seeking missile.
no matter how missiles will be adjusted, as long as that feature still stays, you can not call it balanced sir.

I get it, change is hard, why not limit boundaries of your experiment to 1 tier, rather than infect 3 main tiers (where players worked for years to gather tier10's)

trust in balancing team is very low, as they trying to push an agenda of a "new meta" onto the players who barely understand side scraping.


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rosgrim #1336 Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:07 AM

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1st

look out bar mobile (+ aimed tank with regular vision) works in a different way than "mouse right click" in Mac (I tried iPad-Mac I guess for the PC is the same). Plus Mac (PC) auto lock aim doesn't work. So if we are talking about giving advantage to a modality only mobile got that. 

This doesn't bother me at all (I can play both modality). But still it is not fair for the game.

2nd 

to be honest even look out bar use needs a training: it is not so easy. But still it is something wrong for obvious reasons. Fact: a light tank shouldn't be able to deal more DMG (or the same) of a TD. We are talking about 7-8k. It is out of this world.

 

In addition to that there are a couple of Mod (WOTB can you hear me ? Are you aware about those ? or are still undetected ?

I would be not surprised if those were not yet discovered because they are very difficult to detect by wotb. 

I may have noticed it in one battle in NA server.

take a look at the attached video (EU server)

 

https://www.youtube....GXINnvwHA43pdOE

 

 


Edited by rosgrim, 10 February 2020 - 06:42 AM.


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View Post__Crusader6__, on 07 February 2020 - 05:50 PM, said:

While I’ve been out of game for the week - I will state that I’ve only ever seen missile mechanics be effective in clan scrimmages. 

  I suspect that after some tournaments come out - that if touch look lit launching is really an issue that it will get dealt with.  

 

You should check out some of the Sheridan replays featuring HisRoyalFatness, and he doesn't even use the lookaround bar that I can tell. For example check out these two crazy shots!

 

That doesn't disprove your main point though, most people can't do this. 



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View PostHugGigolo, on 10 February 2020 - 06:06 AM, said:

 

You should check out some of the Sheridan replays featuring HisRoyalFatness, and he doesn't even use the lookaround bar that I can tell. For example check out these two crazy shots!

 

That doesn't disprove your main point though, most people can't do this. 


well he is one of the best player of the server and besides the E100 was in a position relatively "easy" to be aimed after the shot.

still impressive

Again keeping this player as example he got best all of fame DMG tier 10 with almost 9k. More than the TD s did (more than Foch, 268, E3.....all the best td of the game !)....this is not correct for the game.

Look also the t92: the abuse of the missile made possible the 10 best DMG are highest than most of the Td at that tier.

If you wanna give that gun to a light fine, then make their armor weak but really weak. These are stronger than Grille or WT. 

Very very wrong


Edited by rosgrim, 10 February 2020 - 06:37 AM.


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View Postcheesehead247365, on 07 February 2020 - 11:36 PM, said:

What?   



I messed the final text up, sorry.:( Of course i meant frontally. 


 

 


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View Postboris55555, on 09 February 2020 - 08:23 AM, said:

Ribble, Ribble, Ribble. Can you explain more about why wg is keeping the aim exploit in game?

 

was it wrong when we were told it was an unexpected way to work the aim?

 

has wg not seen the trick shots? 180 turns? 

 

 

Maybe because we don't consider it as exploit. According to our stats ATGM tanks dominate not because of ATGMs. Normal shells make those tanks such effective. This is why it's not about the bar. 

However we realize that being hit by a missile can upset some players in certain cases. This is why we make missiles more situational reducing their damage and penetration.


 


 

 





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