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RibbleStripe #1441 Posted 06 April 2020 - 03:28 PM

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View PostDan_Deerso, on 29 March 2020 - 09:55 PM, said:

 

Seriously? Change the survivability of a third of the tanks at tier 10, and you have no reason to connect it to the buffs or nerfs of other tanks?

 

You do realize you've just simultaneously killed the meta of tier 10 tournament play and proxy nerfed every single tier 9 and 10 that's not a heavy, and by nerfing ANYTHING that isn't one of your precious missile mistakes that sees tier 10 you're basically making whatever tank you nerf obsolete? 

 

And there's no reason to connect the two. Psh. The amount of gasoline in the burning barrel has nothing to do with how big of a fireball you're gonna have. There, I just said something equally wrong and shortsighted.

 

You would be totally right if MM formed teams like this - heavies vs meds for example. But MM mixes heavies with other vehicles. This is why those changes should not be considered as 100% positive for HT and 100% negative for other tanks. MTs and TDs will cause more damage because there will be more total HP in battles. 

Very nice analogy with gasoline. Even it has nothing to do with things we are discussing here. 
 


 

 


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View PostTexas_Tyrant, on 02 April 2020 - 01:41 AM, said:

The T92E1 is just 1% better than AMX 30 and deals the same amount of damage. In addition because better players would have saved more xp, I can imagine the stats will still be screwed for a while. Does this mean the AMX 30 must be nerfed too because its almost as good as the T92E1?

Same for the Sheridan. Has about 1% better WR than Leo 1 and deals about 150 more dmg than Leo 1. Pretty similar stats if you ask me.:B

Am I right on both points? It seems to me that the missiles themselves should not be removed but just nerfing it a little more in some way.

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No. We don't take decision comparing such stats. At first we consider tank's efficiency among same tier and type vehicles. T92E1 still dominates over BC 25t AP and this is why we need to tune it again. When we nerfed it first time we didn't want to overdo it. 

 

 


 

 


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Fix the top down non line of site attacks. Period. The tank was incredibly poorly balanced and has a super power. 
 

stop playing around. It cannot be balanced if it can attack from 100% cover. Just stop w regular buff and nerfs. They’re meaningless until the underlying broken nature of the tanks are fixed


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I wonder if the Product Managers actually play the game and, if they do, how many games they've played, which tiers they play, and what drugs they are on.

 

Seriously.., Standard B DPM nerf? Tier X heavy HP buff for no really good reason? Pass the bong.


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View PostRibbleStripe, on 06 April 2020 - 09:51 AM, said:

 

No. We don't take decision comparing such stats. At first we consider tank's efficiency among same tier and type vehicles. T92E1 still dominates over BC 25t AP and this is why we need to tune it again. When we nerfed it first time we didn't want to overdo it

 


Well, WG CERTAINLY DIDN’T NERF IT ENOUGH. I literally walked away from the game I was so frustrated over it. Not mad at you specifically RibbleStripe, but the game is simply not a fair environment with the non-LOS missile attacks raining down from above. And just because only a few are adept enough to really make it devastating, it doesn’t make it right. 


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I don't want repeat my (and many others) opinion about missile gun.

But those tank still survive better than any other light.

Let me say: even more than most of the tier 9 and 10 meds.

Is this acceptable ? Logic ?

And other Light in the same tier don't have that gun....

a big laugh to what I read above: "it is only 1% better than Amx 30 dealing the same damage"...dude Amx is a med and also a strong gun med..... 

aven more loud laugh about Sheridan/Leo.....

 



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View PostRibbleStripe, on 06 April 2020 - 03:28 PM, said:

 

You would be totally right if MM formed teams like this - heavies vs meds for example. But MM mixes heavies with other vehicles. This is why those changes should not be considered as 100% positive for HT and 100% negative for other tanks. MTs and TDs will cause more damage because there will be more total HP in battles. 

Very nice analogy with gasoline. Even it has nothing to do with things we are discussing here. 
 


.....seriously.....now this is a very "interesting" logic.

So it ended up you buffed (or, closer to you statement: meds and TD will play more effectively...."doing more damage" means that) the meds and the TD giving more HP to HT.

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 06 April 2020 - 11:28 AM, said:

 

You would be totally right if MM formed teams like this - heavies vs meds for example. But MM mixes heavies with other vehicles. This is why those changes should not be considered as 100% positive for HT and 100% negative for other tanks. MTs and TDs will cause more damage because there will be more total HP in battles. 

Very nice analogy with gasoline. Even it has nothing to do with things we are discussing here. 
 

 

Who said anything about MM? TOURNAMENT PLAY is what's being affected. Check your data on that, and you'll see why that ham-fisted "buff all the heavies" approach sucks.



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Ribblestripe, you announced in the livestream all tier 6-9 heavies will receive an HP buff, what update are you planning to implement these changes, and how much HP will the TOG II have?

 


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View PostRonaldusMaximus_, on 08 April 2020 - 01:26 PM, said:

Ribblestripe, you announced in the livestream all tier 6-9 heavies will receive an HP buff, what update are you planning to implement these changes, and how much HP will the TOG II have?

 

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Tog II =25000 hp

 

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View PostRonaldusMaximus_, on 08 April 2020 - 12:26 PM, said:

Ribblestripe, you announced in the livestream all tier 6-9 heavies will receive an HP buff, what update are you planning to implement these changes, and how much HP will the TOG II have?


heavies dominate even more in the lower tiers. I am so against this. It was one thing for tier X because the meta had shifted once the missile tanks came, but other tiers are absolutely dominated by heavies. This is not a good idea.


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@RibbleStripe

 

Can you highlight and list the major changes to be coming?

You mentioned changes to tier 7-9 and HT hp buffs. Can you tell us more about those and any contests/news to us?

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So, HP buffs to all heavy tanks in tier 6 through 9?

 

What prompted this? 

Were they all lacking in WR? 

 

What about all the non-heavies?   

Many of which already struggle with penetration and damage? and have a comparatively lower win rate than heavies in their tier? 


 

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Thanks to Acrisis for bringing this post up...
For reference: http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/107883-610-tier-5-and-some-minor-complaints/

 

I have some major concerns with the upcoming buffs, specifically with how they will impact the other tech tree tanks at tier 8, which already suffer heavily, and how the gap from tier 5-6 will be handled. Presently, tier 5 struggles a lot, with the sole exception of the T1 Heavy. After 6.10, I feel like the power gap will literally make every game feel more like a +2/-1 Matchmaking.
Ribble if you read this, I also sent you a message on Discord, if you would be willing to continue this conversation on there.
 



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View PostRibbleStripe, on 06 April 2020 - 07:51 AM, said:

 

No. We don't take decision comparing such stats. At first we consider tank's efficiency among same tier and type vehicles. T92E1 still dominates over BC 25t AP and this is why we need to tune it again. When we nerfed it first time we didn't want to overdo it. 

 

 

Hi Ribble. The T92E1 is a total debacle. It’s pen, alpha and armor all need to be NUKED not nerfed. Is this supposed to be a light tank or a mini TD? 



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View PostChiefmac, on 09 April 2020 - 08:42 PM, said:

Hi Ribble. The T92E1 is a total debacle. It’s pen, alpha and armor all need to be NUKED not nerfed. Is this supposed to be a light tank or a mini TD? 


yeah, fix the tank, and fix the missiles. Everything else is just a waste of

time and money. 


MISSILES CONTINUE TO BE TOXIC AND ******
 
& thanks for ruining two interesting tanks.

 

 

 


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RIP tier 8 meds.

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View PostDan_Deerso, on 07 April 2020 - 10:14 PM, said:

 

Who said anything about MM? TOURNAMENT PLAY is what's being affected. Check your data on that, and you'll see why that ham-fisted "buff all the heavies" approach sucks.

 

So when tournament play is affected and gets lighter sep by step - it's fine, right?

 

View Postrosgrim, on 07 April 2020 - 07:49 AM, said:


.....seriously.....now this is a very "interesting" logic.

So it ended up you buffed (or, closer to you statement: meds and TD will play more effectively...."doing more damage" means that) the meds and the TD giving more HP to HT.

I never stop to learn :)

 

 

Nice distortion. 
I said buffing entire class can't affect other vehicles performance only in negative way. Please don't mix class changes and singe tank's one. 

 

View PostRonaldusMaximus_, on 08 April 2020 - 09:26 PM, said:

Ribblestripe, you announced in the livestream all tier 6-9 heavies will receive an HP buff, what update are you planning to implement these changes, and how much HP will the TOG II have?

 

In 6.10. TOG will receive a minor buff - only 10 hp.

 

View PostTexas_Tyrant, on 08 April 2020 - 11:47 PM, said:

Tog II =25000 hp

 

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Good idea for event with TOG as final boss. 

 

View PostChariot_Solace, on 09 April 2020 - 12:05 AM, said:


heavies dominate even more in the lower tiers. I am so against this. It was one thing for tier X because the meta had shifted once the missile tanks came, but other tiers are absolutely dominated by heavies. This is not a good idea.

 

If you think tier 10 buff was made because of missiles you are wrong. We had been witnessed HT role decrease way before update 6.7. And not only at tier 10 - it's a general issue requiring changes for all tiers. 

 

View PostTexas_Tyrant, on 09 April 2020 - 02:19 AM, said:

@RibbleStripe

 

Can you highlight and list the major changes to be coming?

You mentioned changes to tier 7-9 and HT hp buffs. Can you tell us more about those and any contests/news to us?

Thanks, 

Texas_Tyrant

 

I posted those changes earlier in this thread. Here

 

View Postacrisis, on 09 April 2020 - 10:37 PM, said:

So, HP buffs to all heavy tanks in tier 6 through 9?

 

What prompted this? 

Were they all lacking in WR? 

 

What about all the non-heavies?   

Many of which already struggle with penetration and damage? and have a comparatively lower win rate than heavies in their tier? 

 

It's not about WR at all. It's about gameplay becoming faster and HT role becoming less important. 

 

If we have to tune some non-heavy tanks after the buff, we'll do it particularly. 

 

View Post_Zakalwe_, on 10 April 2020 - 05:25 AM, said:

RIP tier 8 meds.

 

Just like tier 10 meds? Have you buried them as well?


 

 





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