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ArmoredNite #1481 Posted 25 April 2020 - 05:40 AM

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View Post_The_Tactition_, on 23 April 2020 - 01:59 PM, said:


I think the game is pretty balanced but it’s clear the T92E1 is overpowered right now. Nerf should do it well and balance the tier.


oh no.  I like the T92E1.  My guess is that the extra HP on the heavies will provide the balance.  



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View PostArmoredNite, on 25 April 2020 - 12:40 AM, said:


oh no.  I like the T92E1.  My guess is that the extra HP on the heavies will provide the balance.  


no, no, no. Wg states that heavies have been struggling for over a year. Before the missile op tanks. Struggling heavies plus overpowered missile tanks. In fact to balance the missile tanks They should be one shot all the time


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And the FV215B is bringing up the rear on the charts. As I expected. The hp is too low now. It needs to be fixed. 
 

The upcoming buffs are nice for the most part. Other tanks that need attention:


VK 45.03 - It now has worse armor and mobility than the Tiger I. There’s no reason to drive it anymore. You could buff the armor, or the dpm, or the gun handling, or even the gun depression. Idc, but it’s kind of useless at the moment. It needs some appeal. 
 

Centurion I - Also basically obsolete now. It doesn’t have much going for it. It’s always at the back of the charts. And the Defender Mk I is a better version. It has lowest in class alpha so honestly I think it needs highest in class dpm. 

 

T28 - Almost everyone hates this tank and it’s always underperforming. I don’t believe Blitz should do everything PC does, but I did see that this tank got an update to its 3D model on WOT PC and I remembered you guys did the same thing with the IS-3 is Blitz and it made a world of difference in making the tank relevant again. I think you could do the same thing with this tank and get similar results.

 

The last Grille buff was incredibly underwhelming. It has worst in class armor, worst in class ap penetration, worst in class premium and HE penetration for all 150mm+ guns, worst in class reticle bloom when moving and rotating the turret, worst in class gun depression over the front of the tank excluding the obj 263, worst in class hp, and it still has the third worst concealment behind only 2 of the largest tanks in the game. That’s a lot of worsts right there. The tank is a tragedy. It really needs something, especially since these days there are little tank destroyers disguised as light tanks running around everywhere on the flanks with the best mobility in the game. 
 

Caernarvon - It’s doing well I see, but this tank has no appeal since you added the Action X which is literally just a better version of the same tank. The best way I can think of to make it appealing again is to give it a new gun option. Probably a 250 alpha gun? That would at least give people a reason to drive it if they own both tanks.

 

I know you are aware of the Bat Chat 25t issues and are working on it, but I think adjusting the magazine size or the alpha damage would make the tank effective again in the current meta.
 

 


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Could you guys do something with the Hori Type 3?  At least give it more gun depression...or something.   Basically, if you get stuck with a bunch of camping medium tanks.....you are done.  This tank reminds me of a faster version of Emil except without Emil's gun depression.  Crap armor, excellent gun, but 6 degree of gun depression means one is forced to expose the tank to a certain extent to get the shots out....this is acceptable if the armor was decent but that is not the case.

 


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View PostChariot_Solace, on 25 April 2020 - 05:35 PM, said:

 

T28 - Almost everyone hates this tank and it’s always underperforming. I don’t believe Blitz should do everything PC does, but I did see that this tank got an update to its 3D model on WOT PC and I remembered you guys did the same thing with the IS-3 is Blitz and it made a world of difference in making the tank relevant again. I think you could do the same thing with this tank and get similar results.

 

 

 

I love the T28.  :) It teaches me patience.  Just give it a little more speed and it should be fine.



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View Post_SKORPION, on 26 April 2020 - 10:28 AM, said:

 

I love the T28.  :) It teaches me patience.  Just give it a little more speed and it should be fine.


You don’t even own a T28.


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View PostChariot_Solace, on 26 April 2020 - 06:31 PM, said:


You don’t even own a T28.

Not at the moment.  Sold it for credits.  T28 proto.



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Grille and Super Pershing are both near worthless. Why run them at all? At least do something about the horrid gun on the Super Pershing and the camo on the Grille. 


 


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View Post_SKORPION, on 26 April 2020 - 05:53 PM, said:

Not at the moment.  Sold it for credits.  T28 proto.



I am talking about the turretless T28. The Proto is a totally different tank dude.


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View PostChariot_Solace, on 27 April 2020 - 09:06 AM, said:



I am talking about the turretless T28. The Proto is a totally different tank dude.

proto is an underrated tank. the gun makes up for its slowness.



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View PostMeat_Locker, on 27 April 2020 - 08:01 AM, said:

Grille and Super Pershing are both near worthless. Why run them at all? At least do something about the horrid gun on the Super Pershing and the camo on the Grille. 


this.

I don't play the Super Persh but last day was a birthday tank in my garage so I ran it......simply horrible.

Is totally worthless. 

Once the armor was a little relevant but now with the gun in the game is totally useless. 

The gun.....OMG.....

Grille was fun before to lost (basically) the good mobility that was the main strength I loved (abusing the ability to relocate very very fast).

Ok the camo suck but I could live with that with the old mobility.

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I'm still not convinced about heavy HP buff.....I'm thinking about tanks that already are "nub proof" like tiger 2, obj252.....tanks that run 56-57% over all and in decent hands reach 60-70% WR.

But I don't want insist since WOTB seems sure (As I said to Ribblestripe they have the whole picture)  it will be a good thing,

we will see 


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View Postrosgrim, on 27 April 2020 - 10:20 PM, said:


this.

I don't play the Super Persh but last day was a birthday tank in my garage so I ran it......simply horrible.

Is totally worthless. 

Once the armor was a little relevant but now with the gun in the game is totally useless. 

The gun.....OMG.....

Grille was fun before to lost (basically) the good mobility that was the main strength I loved (abusing the ability to relocate very very fast).

Ok the camo suck but I could live with that with the old mobility.

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I'm still not convinced about heavy HP buff.....I'm thinking about tanks that already are "nub proof" like tiger 2, obj252.....tanks that run 56-57% over all and in decent hands reach 60-70% WR.

But I don't want insist since WOTB seems sure (As I said to Ribblestripe they have the whole picture)  it will be a good thing,

we will see 


Honestly the game is mostly med's and LT's at the moment. When I play at all tiers I usually see 1-2 HT's on a team. There should be at least 3 IMO.

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View PostKiwi_Kebab, on 23 April 2020 - 07:19 AM, said:

 

Meanwhile, the T28 has been dead last on the charts for the last several updates despite not being a fan favorite. Will the T28 ever get a buff?

 

Yes please!

 

 

View Postwrecker1968, on 23 April 2020 - 12:02 PM, said:

 

Are you sure the tiger II needs a hip point buff?

 

 

Tiger II will go from having one of the highest tier 8 heavy hitpoint pools to one of the lowest, which seems appropriate.

 



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View Post_Zakalwe_, on 28 April 2020 - 04:11 AM, said:

 

Yes please!

 

 

 

Tiger II will go from having one of the highest tier 8 heavy hitpoint pools to one of the lowest, which seems appropriate.

 


Yea the IS-3 defender and the Smasher too. They’re using this as a way to balance over performing tanks without actually nerfing them. We’ll see how effective it is.


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View PostChariot_Solace, on 27 April 2020 - 09:06 AM, said:



I am talking about the turretless T28. The Proto is a totally different tank dude.

understood. 



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Nerf the Smasher. I’ll say it again, Nerf the Smasher. 

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View PostRonaldusMaximus_, on 23 April 2020 - 05:27 PM, said:

@Ribblestripe is there any discussion on buffing the front lower plate on the T95 (Possibly reversing the nerf)?

 

No. 

 

View PostRonaldusMaximus_, on 23 April 2020 - 06:24 PM, said:

I must admit I was surprised the T30 is performing so poorly.

 

Actually it's not. Tier 9 TDs are pretty close to each other in terms of stats. 2.5% gap between Foch and T30 is more than acceptable. And Ho-Ri will go down apparently making tier 9 TDs state even better. 

View Postwrecker1968, on 23 April 2020 - 11:02 PM, said:

Bc25-T And the grille, Need some help seriously. They have both been low on your charts for a while.

 

Are you sure the standard B needs a nerf? (Especially since the heavies are going to get a hit point buff)

 

Are you sure the tiger II needs a hip point buff?

 

 Thank you ribble for posting the charts.

 

Tier 10 changes will be considered after Sprig season ends.
Heavies HP buff is a comprehensive measure not affecting standard balance changes (like the one we did with Standard B).
Tiger got HP bonus considering its performance. 
 


 

 


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View PostRonaldusMaximus_, on 23 April 2020 - 09:27 AM, said:

@Ribblestripe is there any discussion on buffing the front lower plate on the T95 (Possibly reversing the nerf)?

 

View PostRibbleStripe, on 04 May 2020 - 03:33 AM, said:

 

No. 

 

 

You just made me really sad. :(


 


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Ribblestripe, what are the chances of the T28 turretless tank destroyer getting improved characteristics within the next few patches? It seems to be one of the most unpopular tech tree tanks in tier 8.

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View Postrosgrim, on 28 April 2020 - 04:20 AM, said:


this.

I don't play the Super Persh but last day was a birthday tank in my garage so I ran it......simply horrible.

Is totally worthless. 

Once the armor was a little relevant but now with the gun in the game is totally useless. 

The gun.....OMG.....

Grille was fun before to lost (basically) the good mobility that was the main strength I loved (abusing the ability to relocate very very fast).

Ok the camo suck but I could live with that with the old mobility.

+

I'm still not convinced about heavy HP buff.....I'm thinking about tanks that already are "nub proof" like tiger 2, obj252.....tanks that run 56-57% over all and in decent hands reach 60-70% WR.

But I don't want insist since WOTB seems sure (As I said to Ribblestripe they have the whole picture)  it will be a good thing,

we will see 

I'm not either, heavies are easy mode, and have been for awhile. When people actually drive them forward and aim the gun it's ridiculous how easy they are to play, especially tanks like tiger, tiger king the sequel and the sheriff. They did not need HP buffs in any tier.  Now there are tier 8s with tier ten level hp....what they needed to do was reign in ridiculous 1000 hp rolls from derps in tiers 7/8. Smasher, su-142-isu-152 and t49 are problems.  They need to start lowering module damage too or buffing ammo racks, I see games with 4-5 ammo racks, rng can completely dictate a game now. 






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