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Destroy0 #1561 Posted 09 July 2020 - 07:48 PM

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Uh-oh, I can feel the prelude warning of a British light nerf. Please no, let us have them for a little while longer before they're hammered into oblivion.

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View PostGitgudm9, on 09 July 2020 - 07:31 PM, said:

It took me SUCH a long time to get the hang of it. I think I spammed so many battles that I'm at around 300 now without bothering to learn the damn thing and I'm only just starting to bring my stats around. While it's a fun tank, it's definitely very difficult to play and I think the name "Struggle Wagon" fits. The tank is badly hampered by its long reload and because the drum is so big, you seldom get opportunities to utilize it fully and put your DPM to use. 8 degrees of gun depression is nice, but I think it needs more to make up for the god awful armor and size. I think 9 or 10 degrees of gun turn down + a gun handling buff would make this thing much more bearable to play. Maybe WG can consider increasing the alpha to 240 as well, seeing as the Progetto gets that much. 


Agreed. And, as Frostbite mentions, it is the constant management of EVERYTHING that makes the Lorraine claim the title of “Struggle Wagon”. Ammo management, reload management, paper armor w/fat butt management, escape route management, and so forth. It is the antithesis to the something like the 252U in that, with the 252U, one just rolls to a likely choke-point and fires upon the reload whilst bouncing everything thrown its way. The single-shot gun takes care of the reload management, etc. 

Another problem that is not faced by the auto-reloaders is uneven shell use. If you fire off your last 2 HE rounds, you’re going to have to do another full reload in order to get your APCR or AP loaded again. 


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View Post__Orange_Juice__, on 07 June 2020 - 02:28 AM, said:

 


Ribble stripe, I have a suggestion that you can buff E100 face armour of the turret and Amx 30 b Alpha damage should buff little bit . T22 medium also should have little buff and put it in the shop this weak  without crates, because many people wants that tank . Also fv215b needs little Alpha damage buff, because it is the lowest Dpm in Wot tier 10 heavies . BTW, can i have a press account, so I can try to find those tanks are worth it for people buy it or not . I hope you can accept my idea , Thank you

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View PostMeat_Locker, on 10 July 2020 - 06:06 AM, said:

...It is the antithesis to the something like the 252U in that, with the 252U, one just rolls to the a likely choke-point and fires upon the reload whilst bouncing everything thrown its way.. 


and yet tanks like 252U get hp buff lol.  Not for once, in 6 yrs of playing blitz, I think balancing is holistic.  Balancing team’s philosophy at core is different that they do not go aim for giving equal opportunity to all tanks.  Some tanks are make to be sucky so 252 drivers can feel good about themselves.

 

good players try to find that one advantage and use it to win. (Alpha / fast reload / armor and etc)  but what if everything is bellow avg or just doesn’t fit the meta (armor with mucho hp pool)  Tiger2 presents better armor (Tier for tier) than any tank In that tech tree.


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yay, collector tanks are now buffed and the last step remaining is to undone update 5.5 !

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View PostMeat_Locker, on 10 July 2020 - 04:06 AM, said:


Agreed. And, as Frostbite mentions, it is the constant management of EVERYTHING that makes the Lorraine claim the title of “Struggle Wagon”.

  

Who came up with the name struggle wagon? Such a fitting name.



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View PostMg7134_1, on 10 July 2020 - 12:21 PM, said:

yay, collector tanks are now buffed and the last step remaining is to undone update 5.5 !


3.8, 5.5 and missiles. Biggest issues still in game. Spare parts reversed. But equipment still meh. After 5.5’tiers 1-5 boring or lame. Now we are still stuck with the non los missile gimmick. Just fix it.


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Ok, ok. The Spicey Panzer is getting a substantial  buff. I'll enjoy testing it out in my beautiful ole ole ole camo.

Luches is receiving some love, but its traverse is still abysmal. Won't be running in RvR ever again sadly.

Hmmm, a lot of stock guns are getting buffed, so that's neat I guess.

And the Grille is getting a slight dpm buff...yay? I'm not sure that was ever an issue, I always thought it was more along the lines of it having atrocious camo, but at least they are giving it some love.

Overall, pretty neat balancing, but nothing too extreme.

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few words about the Superconqueror

"friends and family give the sad announcement of the early departure"

 

the developers got confused: they gave a Russian gun to a Brit tank :)

the only positive is the gun depression but really situational since the bad mobility and the size of the tank (it works more like a 8 degree than a 10) so at the end of the story the real depression is the tank itself.

Plus the supposed to be invincible turret in reality it isn't (if you face a good player).

Apparently many contributors/pro players/good players/ not so good players agree on that....

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View PostMeat_Locker, on 04 June 2020 - 09:29 AM, said:

 

Droodles recently declared it to be the most difficult tank to play in this game. I have to agree. I call it “The Struggle Wagon”.  A player simply feels exhausted after playing 2-3 rounds of this worrisome beast. It really should be a battlefield terror. It is currently a battlefield rarity. 
Does anyone actually want a 30 minute Lorraine video? Well, yer gonna get one. Putain de merde, ce char est fatigant.

 

View Post_Zakalwe_, on 11 July 2020 - 01:33 PM, said:

  

Who came up with the name struggle wagon? Such a fitting name.

 

I put together a near 30 minute video on the Lorraine and it was one of the biggest struggles in terms of getting good footage and trying to tell the Lorraine story, complete with the complexities of proper resource management, of all of the videos that I've done. I coined the term "Struggle Wagon" at that time. The video is in the Video Vault. 


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Give the British lights some time. I’m 89th in it in WN8 with 2.5k average and 60%. Only insane players have it. Give it 2-3 more updates so more players can get it so it isn’t just skewed by insane players.

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View Post_The_Tactition_, on 15 July 2020 - 03:52 AM, said:

Give the British lights some time. I’m 89th in it in WN8 with 2.5k average and 60%. Only insane players have it. Give it 2-3 more updates so more players can get it so it isn’t just skewed by insane players.


they will

only 275 player playing the T9, the same for T10.

and if they are over 55WR and playing many battles (in order to be considered in the stats for balance) they are doing insanely good.

I think WOTB know that.

Both tank are really good but not broken at all.

We need good light at high tiers.

 


Edited by rosgrim, 15 July 2020 - 04:21 AM.


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The t28 needs a buff of some kind of is vary under powered

tanker070 #1574 Posted 16 July 2020 - 09:46 PM

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View Post_The_Tactition_, on 14 July 2020 - 09:52 PM, said:

 Only insane players have it. Give it 2-3 more updates so more players can get it so it isn’t just skewed by insane players.

 

I'm 70% sure that all data gathered is from RU server.  Those charts that we get are from RU.  Pls correct if false.

 

Shouldn't data to tamper OP tanks be collected from all servers at least to consider the trends of what good players are playing all around.


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I think the FV4202 needs a little bit of a buff. It's simple, really. Just give the tank turret armor instead of hull armor so it can compete with the other tier 10 mediums in the current meta.

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I'd like to see the Vickers receive a HESH gun, just for kicks and giggles.

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View PostDestroy0, on 18 July 2020 - 11:24 AM, said:

I'd like to see the Vickers receive a HESH gun, just for kicks and giggles.

Thats the last thing we need. What we actually need is a hull traverese buff to the Luchs so it is returned to its former glory


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How about the OBJ140 buff? The T62A is way better now. The whole point of the 140 was that it had more gun depression than the 62A but now the 62A has 7 degrees of gun depression which makes using that strong turret way easier. The 140 deserves at least something to set it apart from the 62A.

 

 


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View PostRichard8786, on 18 July 2020 - 06:53 PM, said:

How about the OBJ140 buff? The T62A is way better now. The whole point of the 140 was that it had more turn down limit than the 62A but now the 62A has 7 degrees of gun turn down  which makes using that strong turret way easier. The 140 deserves at least something to set it apart from the 62A.

Fixed it.


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I'm looking at the open test changes for 7.2 on blitzhangar and I see several buffs to the japanese mediums from the tier 5 to the tier 7. Are there no plans to buff the STA-1 or the Type 61? In particular, the STA-1 seems to be underperforming and is regarded as a very mediocre or even a terrible tank. I personally think it needs a mobility buff, turret armor buff and a slight DPM buff. 





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