Jump to content


Upcoming balance adjustments


  • Please log in to reply
1265 replies to this topic

anonym_2ZNiJLJL8ln2 #321 Posted 21 March 2018 - 06:58 PM

    Senior Sergeant

  • Players
  • 0 battles
  • 940
  • Member since:
    06-16-2019

View PostChariot_Solace, on 21 March 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

 

Please add Rheinmetall 120mm smooth bore as an optional gun.

 

That was not historically an option. Both the Kpz 70 and the MBT 70 used the 152mm gun. Anything else is simply a fantasy.

 

The Kpz 70 and MBT 70 also were to employ the APFSDS dart from the 105mm L7, but said dart is a more capable version than the one we have ingame.

I would like to note that said figure is from either 1 or 2 kilometers performance distance.

Either way, due to the pressure per volume developed by the gun, it is unlikely to perform differently.



Viper8757NC #322 Posted 21 March 2018 - 07:50 PM

    First Sergeant

  • Players
  • 24606 battles
  • 2,044
  • [III-S]
  • Member since:
    07-04-2014

How about buffing the pen or dmg numbers for the Walker Bulldog?

 

This tank is still extremely weak for its class and tier.



anonym_2ZNiJLJL8ln2 #323 Posted 21 March 2018 - 08:47 PM

    Senior Sergeant

  • Players
  • 0 battles
  • 940
  • Member since:
    06-16-2019

View PostViper8757NC, on 21 March 2018 - 07:50 PM, said:

How about buffing the pen or dmg numbers for the Walker Bulldog?

 

This tank is still extremely weak for its class and tier.

 

Just... All the tier 7 light tanks need to be more solid in some way or another, except for the prems

 

The AMX 13 75 needs to be at least as accurate as the predecessor so it's not outclassed...



Chariot_Solace #324 Posted 22 March 2018 - 12:18 AM

    Stug Life

  • Players
  • 43388 battles
  • 2,766
  • [_STR8]
  • Member since:
    12-06-2016

View PostOicraftian, on 21 March 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

 

That was not historically an option. Both the Kpz 70 and the MBT 70 used the 152mm gun. Anything else is simply a fantasy.

 

The Kpz 70 and MBT 70 also were to employ the APFSDS dart from the 105mm L7, but said dart is a more capable version than the one we have ingame.

I would like to note that said figure is from either 1 or 2 kilometers performance distance.

Either way, due to the pressure per volume developed by the gun, it is unlikely to perform differently.

 

Nope. The Germans tested it with the 120mm. Look it up.

 

-----Edit-----

And it performed much better. (Of course).


Edited by Chariot_Solace, 22 March 2018 - 12:19 AM.

Tier Xs: 14 Lines I'm Grinding: 6 Favorite Tank: E75. Top 100 Tanks: 57 Premiums: 60


xNamelessTank #325 Posted 22 March 2018 - 04:24 AM

    Lance-corporal

  • Players
  • 22190 battles
  • 48
  • [E---L]
  • Member since:
    12-09-2016

View PostRibbleStripe, on 21 March 2018 - 07:22 AM, said:

We spoke with our balance team and discussed your concerns about MBT 70. It's possible, that it will be a bit adjusted though. Stay tuned.

 

oh thank you very much, i really want to see this (no fantasy, "prototype who never saw a real battle") tank to shine

Sorry for my english, its not my natal language.


RibbleStripe #326 Posted 22 March 2018 - 09:55 AM

    Senior Sergeant

  • Administrator
  • 247 battles
  • 732
  • Member since:
    10-04-2017

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

Tier 9 stats

 

Tier 10 stats

 

If you notice something weird

 


 

 


Rawmusse #327 Posted 22 March 2018 - 12:16 PM

    DEUS VULT

  • Players
  • 13734 battles
  • 218
  • [TYPHN]
  • Member since:
    07-01-2015

View PostRibbleStripe, on 22 March 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

Tier 9 stats

 

Tier 10 stats

 

If you notice something weird

 

 

Hey Ribble, most of the best players on all servers got the MBT70, If we can't find the strengths of the tank, I think than no one else will :)  

 

 

Also, can you release the stats of the Chieftain? (t8 prem) Or other rare tanks? I know that some tanks are not played enought, but that doesn't mean that they should't get a buff of a nerf :(



Blartch #328 Posted 22 March 2018 - 12:17 PM

    Causer of Unrest

  • Players
  • 60805 battles
  • 8,255
  • [SPUD]
  • Member since:
    05-01-2015

Thanks for this

 

Regarding the Cent 7/1 and FV4202....

 

Last year, you all thought they were performing poorly enough to deserve a buff.  You buffed their ammo choice which worked "too well," then nerfed their HESH and reload which made them very much not work again, then gave them back their high-pen HESH but KEPT the slow reload time.

 

As it stands, they are now slower-reloading versions of the tanks you thought deserved buffs last year, and the numbers seem to be proving that.  Players are stuck with a choice of unreliable HESH, or extremely low DPM (and still unreliable) HEAT

 

Are there any plans to buff them back up somewhere between the highs and current lows, with at very LEAST a rate of fire increase?

 

 

 

side note... I still don't understand how these charts correlate all the time.  The E3 (which I agree, is not good) is top of the charts, and getting a buff?


Edited by Blartch, 22 March 2018 - 12:25 PM.


iRaikkonen #329 Posted 22 March 2018 - 12:32 PM

    Sergeant

  • Players
  • 30623 battles
  • 488
  • [PRAMO]
  • Member since:
    11-03-2014

View PostRibbleStripe, on 22 March 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

Tier 9 stats

 

Tier 10 stats

 

If you notice something weird

 

 

I think the grille could use a camo buff. It’s so lightly armored that when it gets spotted, it gets nuked immediately. I have a hard time playing it if I’m not in the back of the map. 

 

The whole Chinese tech tree could use some more love. The t-62a is so strong at this point, I see no reason to bother playing the 121. 400 alpha doesn’t seem worth the dpm difference. Maybe making it 420 alpha with a 122mm gun like the us-4 would help. The two and the 113 all have 440 alpha on pc


 


Viper8757NC #330 Posted 22 March 2018 - 01:47 PM

    First Sergeant

  • Players
  • 24606 battles
  • 2,044
  • [III-S]
  • Member since:
    07-04-2014

View PostRibbleStripe, on 22 March 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

Tier 9 stats

 

Tier 10 stats

 

If you notice something weird

 

 

So, maybe about time to admit the mistake you made with the MASSIVE Borsig nerf, right?  Unbelievable that it hasn’t been addressed yet.


wannabeunicum #331 Posted 22 March 2018 - 02:19 PM

    First Sergeant

  • Players
  • 35510 battles
  • 5,690
  • [-MM]
  • Member since:
    10-25-2015
 As I figured 121 was an absolute [edited]tank

Give_Anna_An_Alt #332 Posted 22 March 2018 - 02:57 PM

    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Players
  • 30444 battles
  • 4,109
  • [MSELF]
  • Member since:
    01-27-2015

Personally I don't have problems with the accuracy on my MBT 70 as much as the Gun Depression.

 

It can play defense with it's turret however it needs very specific conditions. If it had about 8° it would be workable without being broken.



Storm216 #333 Posted 22 March 2018 - 04:23 PM

    Wait, HEAT isn't standard ammo?!

  • Players
  • 27188 battles
  • 2,070
  • [FILTH]
  • Member since:
    08-23-2014

Clearly, the FV4202, STA-1, and Rhm. B. WT are in serious need of buffs, and your stat charts confirm that. Please buff them.

 

Also see what Blartch said about the FV4202 and Centurion 7/1.



anonym_2ZNiJLJL8ln2 #334 Posted 22 March 2018 - 05:08 PM

    Senior Sergeant

  • Players
  • 0 battles
  • 940
  • Member since:
    06-16-2019

Any word on fixing the FV 4202's armor profile?

 

You know, that turret rated at 197/127 that should be 240/197, because the Brits didn't go with the design documents you got?

 

It's perfectly fine for the 76mm upper frontal plate to be there, they want a British Centurion clone... Even if it's at best a fake Centurion with overstated turret front armor, and mobility...

 

The 20 pdr is still over performing in penetration potential... :thinking:

It could work, if the FV 4202, had the 20 pdr B with 260-280 alpha, ~246-270 pen standard APCR (no gold), and a solid, but not the best DPM.

Little historical FV 4202 fantasy, but it would have to come with the "give it the engine it could actually fit" change... (Centurion 1 stock engine)

 

A historical speed limit of 35 kph would probably be unfair.



LIGHTS___OUT #335 Posted 22 March 2018 - 05:56 PM

    Welcome to the Dark Side

  • Players
  • 38620 battles
  • 615
  • [BRSKT]
  • Member since:
    02-01-2015

Hard to believe that the MBT-70, which was a reward tank for a skills based competition, is "fine considering stats". 

 

 

Just so nothing is lost in translation here, that was sarcasm. 
Of course the stats seem "fine" because it is being driven for the most part by the better players on the server. (not counting the d-bags that had to cheat to win one, of course)

 

 


                                                

                                                                         

        


anonym_2ZNiJLJL8ln2 #336 Posted 22 March 2018 - 08:42 PM

    Senior Sergeant

  • Players
  • 0 battles
  • 940
  • Member since:
    06-16-2019

View PostLIGHTS___OUT, on 22 March 2018 - 05:56 PM, said:

Hard to believe that the MBT-70, which was a reward tank for a skills based competition, is "fine considering stats". 

 

 

Just so nothing is lost in translation here, that was sarcasm. 
Of course the stats seem "fine" because it is being driven for the most part by the better players on the server. (not counting the d-bags that had to cheat to win one, of course)

 

 

If you want an idea of historical (gun) performance, the could give you a ~200 m/s HEAT shell (missile) that also is unguided with 5 RPM rate of fire.

 

And the option of a 350 alpha APDS round which it actually fired.

 

As it shares the same KE penetrator of the 105mm, obviously tweaked upward for penetration (more modern KE penetrator), but still, doubtless, (not a good amount of alpha for the tank) awful



theFANTASTICfox #337 Posted 22 March 2018 - 10:30 PM

    DRINK!

  • Players
  • 21319 battles
  • 1,253
  • Member since:
    08-23-2014

View PostRibbleStripe, on 22 March 2018 - 04:55 AM, said:

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

Tier 9 stats

 

Tier 10 stats

 

If you notice something weird

 

 

All right! Can't wait for the Grille buff! Time to start dusting it off:)

#4 in the LeKpz 41 (with TwisterCup camo), #6 in the M41 Walker-Bulldog, and #8 in the T37

This is what BlitzStars is reporting, so I might be reading something incorrectly...

 

Certified Anti-FV215b 183 Extremist


THE_Viajero #338 Posted 23 March 2018 - 12:48 AM

    Sergeant

  • Players
  • 24674 battles
  • 468
  • [BHOTT]
  • Member since:
    04-03-2016

View PostRibbleStripe, on 22 March 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

Tier 9 stats

 

Tier 10 stats

 

If you notice something weird

 

 

All, well and nice, I'm still waiting for the DPM buff in the cent 7/1, but I'm pretty ok whit this, especially the KPZ-70 now, I have 2 questions?

 

1.- what about the SP 1 C?, I was expecting to see, this tank buff before 4.9 

 

2.- why the AMX 30 B, AMX 30 prototype and Chieftain Mk6 are going to be event tank and not tech tree tanks, like in PC or console? (I only whant to kwon why, I have been doing some research and the only thing I have fount is bad traslated Russian texts, I'm just curious to know why is this "polemic" decision is been taken or considerated [in case that the developers team, hasn't take a decision yet])

 

that is all, see you (^_^)/


Edited by THE_Viajero, 23 March 2018 - 12:50 AM.

Viajero means Traveler 

:B

People complain when the ping goes to 100 but I have always play whit 150~ of ping 

ps: I'm a not native English speaker, so, sorry for any mistakes (or maybe the autocorrector trolled me XD) 

 


RibbleStripe #339 Posted 23 March 2018 - 08:43 AM

    Senior Sergeant

  • Administrator
  • 247 battles
  • 732
  • Member since:
    10-04-2017

View PostRawmusse, on 22 March 2018 - 03:16 PM, said:

 

Hey Ribble, most of the best players on all servers got the MBT70, If we can't find the strengths of the tank, I think than no one else will :)  

 

 

Also, can you release the stats of the Chieftain? (t8 prem) Or other rare tanks? I know that some tanks are not played enought, but that doesn't mean that they should't get a buff of a nerf :(

 

I'm not sure about stats availability for rare on unpopular tanks. But still they are also under control and can be adjusted if necessary.

 

View PostBlartch, on 22 March 2018 - 03:17 PM, said:

Thanks for this

 

Regarding the Cent 7/1 and FV4202....

 

Last year, you all thought they were performing poorly enough to deserve a buff.  You buffed their ammo choice which worked "too well," then nerfed their HESH and reload which made them very much not work again, then gave them back their high-pen HESH but KEPT the slow reload time.

 

As it stands, they are now slower-reloading versions of the tanks you thought deserved buffs last year, and the numbers seem to be proving that.  Players are stuck with a choice of unreliable HESH, or extremely low DPM (and still unreliable) HEAT

 

Are there any plans to buff them back up somewhere between the highs and current lows, with at very LEAST a rate of fire increase?

 

 

 

side note... I still don't understand how these charts correlate all the time.  The E3 (which I agree, is not good) is top of the charts, and getting a buff?

 

1) Current British MT stats mean our work on them is not over. We consider further changes to make them perform the way they should.

2) E3 is on top only on NA server. As you might remember, we analyze all servers stats when making decisions. BTW, if you are interested in E3 performance on other servers, i can show the stats.

 

View PostiRaikkonen, on 22 March 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

 

I think the grille could use a camo buff. It’s so lightly armored that when it gets spotted, it gets nuked immediately. I have a hard time playing it if I’m not in the back of the map. 

 

The whole Chinese tech tree could use some more love. The t-62a is so strong at this point, I see no reason to bother playing the 121. 400 alpha doesn’t seem worth the dpm difference. Maybe making it 420 alpha with a 122mm gun like the us-4 would help. The two and the 113 all have 440 alpha on pc

 

1) Camo was an option, but we want to make gun more effective.

2) We keep analyzing Chinese tree and considering ways to improve those tanks.


 

 


djhiz #340 Posted 23 March 2018 - 02:59 PM

    Never Say Die

  • Players
  • 19845 battles
  • 1,107
  • [F2K]
  • Member since:
    12-11-2014

View PostTHE_Viajero, on 23 March 2018 - 12:48 AM, said:

 

1.- what about the SP 1 C?, I was expecting to see, this tank buff before 4.9 

 

 

This^^^^^^^ So much THIS^^^^


 

"Common sense is not so common"

- Voltaire Jingles





5 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 5 guests, 0 anonymous users