1793 replies to this topic

[anonym_2ZNiJLJL8ln2]

Chariot_Solace, on 21 March 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

 

Please add Rheinmetall 120mm smooth bore as an optional gun.

 

That was not historically an option. Both the Kpz 70 and the MBT 70 used the 152mm gun. Anything else is simply a fantasy.

 

The Kpz 70 and MBT 70 also were to employ the APFSDS dart from the 105mm L7, but said dart is a more capable version than the one we have ingame.

I would like to note that said figure is from either 1 or 2 kilometers performance distance.

Either way, due to the pressure per volume developed by the gun, it is unlikely to perform differently.

[Viper8757NC]

How about buffing the pen or dmg numbers for the Walker Bulldog?

 

This tank is still extremely weak for its class and tier.

[anonym_2ZNiJLJL8ln2]

Viper8757NC, on 21 March 2018 - 07:50 PM, said:

How about buffing the pen or dmg numbers for the Walker Bulldog?

 

This tank is still extremely weak for its class and tier.

 

Just... All the tier 7 light tanks need to be more solid in some way or another, except for the prems

 

The AMX 13 75 needs to be at least as accurate as the predecessor so it's not outclassed...

[Jagdwagengrimm_]

Oicraftian, on 21 March 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

 

That was not historically an option. Both the Kpz 70 and the MBT 70 used the 152mm gun. Anything else is simply a fantasy.

 

The Kpz 70 and MBT 70 also were to employ the APFSDS dart from the 105mm L7, but said dart is a more capable version than the one we have ingame.

I would like to note that said figure is from either 1 or 2 kilometers performance distance.

Either way, due to the pressure per volume developed by the gun, it is unlikely to perform differently.

 

Nope. The Germans tested it with the 120mm. Look it up.

 

-----Edit-----

And it performed much better. (Of course).

Edited by Chariot_Solace, 22 March 2018 - 12:19 AM.

[xNamelessTank]

RibbleStripe, on 21 March 2018 - 07:22 AM, said:

We spoke with our balance team and discussed your concerns about MBT 70. It's possible, that it will be a bit adjusted though. Stay tuned.

 

oh thank you very much, i really want to see this (no fantasy, "prototype who never saw a real battle&quot tank to shine

[RibbleStripe]

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

 

Tier 9 stats

 

 

Tier 10 stats

 

 

If you notice something weird

STA-1, Centurion 7/1 and FV4202 have lower WR than 55%, 57% and 53% respectively on NA server. This is why you can't see the columns.

 

[Rawmusse]

RibbleStripe, on 22 March 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

 

Tier 9 stats

 

 

Tier 10 stats

 

 

If you notice something weird

STA-1, Centurion 7/1 and FV4202 have lower WR than 55%, 57% and 53% respectively on NA server. This is why you can't see the columns.

 

 

Hey Ribble, most of the best players on all servers got the MBT70, If we can't find the strengths of the tank, I think than no one else will   

 

 

Also, can you release the stats of the Chieftain? (t8 prem) Or other rare tanks? I know that some tanks are not played enought, but that doesn't mean that they should't get a buff of a nerf 

[Blartch]

Thanks for this

 

Regarding the Cent 7/1 and FV4202....

 

Last year, you all thought they were performing poorly enough to deserve a buff.  You buffed their ammo choice which worked "too well," then nerfed their HESH and reload which made them very much not work again, then gave them back their high-pen HESH but KEPT the slow reload time.

 

As it stands, they are now slower-reloading versions of the tanks you thought deserved buffs last year, and the numbers seem to be proving that.  Players are stuck with a choice of unreliable HESH, or extremely low DPM (and still unreliable) HEAT

 

Are there any plans to buff them back up somewhere between the highs and current lows, with at very LEAST a rate of fire increase?

 

 

 

side note... I still don't understand how these charts correlate all the time.  The E3 (which I agree, is not good) is top of the charts, and getting a buff?

Edited by Blartch, 22 March 2018 - 12:25 PM.

[iRaikkonen]

RibbleStripe, on 22 March 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

 

Tier 9 stats

 

 

Tier 10 stats

 

 

If you notice something weird

STA-1, Centurion 7/1 and FV4202 have lower WR than 55%, 57% and 53% respectively on NA server. This is why you can't see the columns.

 

 

I think the grille could use a camo buff. It’s so lightly armored that when it gets spotted, it gets nuked immediately. I have a hard time playing it if I’m not in the back of the map. 

 

The whole Chinese tech tree could use some more love. The t-62a is so strong at this point, I see no reason to bother playing the 121. 400 alpha doesn’t seem worth the dpm difference. Maybe making it 420 alpha with a 122mm gun like the us-4 would help. The two and the 113 all have 440 alpha on pc

[Viper8757NC]

RibbleStripe, on 22 March 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

 

Tier 9 stats

 

 

Tier 10 stats

 

 

If you notice something weird

STA-1, Centurion 7/1 and FV4202 have lower WR than 55%, 57% and 53% respectively on NA server. This is why you can't see the columns.

 

 

So, maybe about time to admit the mistake you made with the MASSIVE Borsig nerf, right?  Unbelievable that it hasn’t been addressed yet.

[wannabeunicum]

 As I figured 121 was an absolute [edited]tank

[MayoNasalSpray]

Personally I don't have problems with the accuracy on my MBT 70 as much as the Gun Depression.

 

It can play defense with it's turret however it needs very specific conditions. If it had about 8° it would be workable without being broken.

[Storm216]

Clearly, the FV4202, STA-1, and Rhm. B. WT are in serious need of buffs, and your stat charts confirm that. Please buff them.

 

Also see what Blartch said about the FV4202 and Centurion 7/1.

[anonym_2ZNiJLJL8ln2]

Any word on fixing the FV 4202's armor profile?

 

You know, that turret rated at 197/127 that should be 240/197, because the Brits didn't go with the design documents you got?

 

It's perfectly fine for the 76mm upper frontal plate to be there, they want a British Centurion clone... Even if it's at best a fake Centurion with overstated turret front armor, and mobility...

 

The 20 pdr is still over performing in penetration potential... :thinking:

It could work, if the FV 4202, had the 20 pdr B with 260-280 alpha, ~246-270 pen standard APCR (no gold), and a solid, but not the best DPM.

Little historical FV 4202 fantasy, but it would have to come with the "give it the engine it could actually fit" change... (Centurion 1 stock engine)

 

A historical speed limit of 35 kph would probably be unfair.

[LIGHTS___OUT]

Hard to believe that the MBT-70, which was a reward tank for a skills based competition, is "fine considering stats". 

 

 

Just so nothing is lost in translation here, that was sarcasm. 
Of course the stats seem "fine" because it is being driven for the most part by the better players on the server. (not counting the d-bags that had to cheat to win one, of course)

 

 

[anonym_2ZNiJLJL8ln2]

LIGHTS___OUT, on 22 March 2018 - 05:56 PM, said:

Hard to believe that the MBT-70, which was a reward tank for a skills based competition, is "fine considering stats". 

 

 

Just so nothing is lost in translation here, that was sarcasm. 
Of course the stats seem "fine" because it is being driven for the most part by the better players on the server. (not counting the d-bags that had to cheat to win one, of course)

 

 

If you want an idea of historical (gun) performance, the could give you a ~200 m/s HEAT shell (missile) that also is unguided with 5 RPM rate of fire.

 

And the option of a 350 alpha APDS round which it actually fired.

 

As it shares the same KE penetrator of the 105mm, obviously tweaked upward for penetration (more modern KE penetrator), but still, doubtless, (not a good amount of alpha for the tank) awful

[Motorbreath_]

RibbleStripe, on 22 March 2018 - 04:55 AM, said:

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

 

Tier 9 stats

 

 

Tier 10 stats

 

 

If you notice something weird

STA-1, Centurion 7/1 and FV4202 have lower WR than 55%, 57% and 53% respectively on NA server. This is why you can't see the columns.

 

 

All right! Can't wait for the Grille buff! Time to start dusting it off

[THE_Viajero]

RibbleStripe, on 22 March 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

Here comes new piece of our future buff plans.

 

121 - depression angles and reload time;
T110E3 - speed limit and traverse speed;
Grille - gun stabilization and aiming time;
MBT-70 - gun stabilization and accuracy;
T69 - magazine reload time.

And i want to say a bit more about MBT-70. It was (and still is) fine considering stats but we were paying attention to your concerns and agree it's quite difficult to realize its strengths. So this is our attempt to keep balance between stats and community spirits. Buff won't be significant - we'll see the results and make further analysis. 

 

Tier 8 stats

 

 

Tier 9 stats

 

 

Tier 10 stats

 

 

If you notice something weird

STA-1, Centurion 7/1 and FV4202 have lower WR than 55%, 57% and 53% respectively on NA server. This is why you can't see the columns.

 

 

All, well and nice, I'm still waiting for the DPM buff in the cent 7/1, but I'm pretty ok whit this, especially the KPZ-70 now, I have 2 questions?

 

1.- what about the SP 1 C?, I was expecting to see, this tank buff before 4.9 

 

2.- why the AMX 30 B, AMX 30 prototype and Chieftain Mk6 are going to be event tank and not tech tree tanks, like in PC or console? (I only whant to kwon why, I have been doing some research and the only thing I have fount is bad traslated Russian texts, I'm just curious to know why is this "polemic" decision is been taken or considerated [in case that the developers team, hasn't take a decision yet])

 

that is all, see you (^_^)/

Edited by THE_Viajero, 23 March 2018 - 12:50 AM.

[RibbleStripe]

Rawmusse, on 22 March 2018 - 03:16 PM, said:

 

Hey Ribble, most of the best players on all servers got the MBT70, If we can't find the strengths of the tank, I think than no one else will   

 

 

Also, can you release the stats of the Chieftain? (t8 prem) Or other rare tanks? I know that some tanks are not played enought, but that doesn't mean that they should't get a buff of a nerf 

 

I'm not sure about stats availability for rare on unpopular tanks. But still they are also under control and can be adjusted if necessary.

 

Blartch, on 22 March 2018 - 03:17 PM, said:

Thanks for this

 

Regarding the Cent 7/1 and FV4202....

 

Last year, you all thought they were performing poorly enough to deserve a buff.  You buffed their ammo choice which worked "too well," then nerfed their HESH and reload which made them very much not work again, then gave them back their high-pen HESH but KEPT the slow reload time.

 

As it stands, they are now slower-reloading versions of the tanks you thought deserved buffs last year, and the numbers seem to be proving that.  Players are stuck with a choice of unreliable HESH, or extremely low DPM (and still unreliable) HEAT

 

Are there any plans to buff them back up somewhere between the highs and current lows, with at very LEAST a rate of fire increase?

 

 

 

side note... I still don't understand how these charts correlate all the time.  The E3 (which I agree, is not good) is top of the charts, and getting a buff?

 

1) Current British MT stats mean our work on them is not over. We consider further changes to make them perform the way they should.

2) E3 is on top only on NA server. As you might remember, we analyze all servers stats when making decisions. BTW, if you are interested in E3 performance on other servers, i can show the stats.

 

iRaikkonen, on 22 March 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

 

I think the grille could use a camo buff. It’s so lightly armored that when it gets spotted, it gets nuked immediately. I have a hard time playing it if I’m not in the back of the map. 

 

The whole Chinese tech tree could use some more love. The t-62a is so strong at this point, I see no reason to bother playing the 121. 400 alpha doesn’t seem worth the dpm difference. Maybe making it 420 alpha with a 122mm gun like the us-4 would help. The two and the 113 all have 440 alpha on pc

 

1) Camo was an option, but we want to make gun more effective.

2) We keep analyzing Chinese tree and considering ways to improve those tanks.

[djhiz]

THE_Viajero, on 23 March 2018 - 12:48 AM, said:

 

1.- what about the SP 1 C?, I was expecting to see, this tank buff before 4.9 

 

 

This^^^^^^^ So much THIS^^^^