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_Cletus #1 Posted 12 December 2017 - 04:45 PM

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Hey tank experts!  I was wondering what that is on the front of the hull of a lot of the german tanks, for example the tiger.  Is it spare track sections or something?  Some kind of armor?

 

I'm trying to post a pic to show what I'm talking about but I'm just getting error messages.  Obvs the russians are colluding with imgur, I'll have to make an account when I have more time...


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Tracks.  All over German tanks.

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View PostBobboEvans, on 12 December 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

Tracks. All over German tanks.

 

That's what I thought.  IRL wouldn't that be a shell trap?  Wouldn't it mess up the nice smooth angle and discourage bounces?

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Interesting side note on this.. The American Shermans were getting penned in the front end so often. That the guys driving those things. Started improvising to increase the armor. You can find pictures on the net of Sherman's with automotive wheel rims mounted to the front. Sandbags. Layers of heavy wood. Even chunks of concrete. Whatever those soldiers could get their hands on. To help improve their chances of staying alive.

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View PostCletusrocks_ap, on 12 December 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

 

That's what I thought.  IRL wouldn't that be a shell trap?  Wouldn't it mess up the nice smooth angle and discourage bounces?

 

They would actually increase the protection afforded by the armor. Smoothness doesn't affect effective armor.

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View Postoutersketcher, on 12 December 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Interesting side note on this.. The American Shermans were getting penned in the front end so often. That the guys driving those things. Started improvising to increase the armor. You can find pictures on the net of Sherman's with automotive wheel rims mounted to the front. Sandbags. Layers of heavy wood. Even chunks of concrete. Whatever those soldiers could get their hands on. To help improve their chances of staying alive.

 

btw its not really staying alive but keeping the tank safe. Sherman crews had the highest rate of survival for destroyed tanks

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View PostCletusrocks_ap, on 12 December 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

 

That's what I thought.  IRL wouldn't that be a shell trap?  Wouldn't it mess up the nice smooth angle and discourage bounces?

 

​It probably would, at least in some cases.  But, the guys at the front aren't doing ballistics tests, they are just looking at KO'ed shermans with holes through the front armor, and thinking "I need more stuff between me and the enemy." 

 

 

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View PostCletusrocks_ap, on 12 December 2017 - 11:45 AM, said:

Hey tank experts!  I was wondering what that is on the front of the hull of a lot of the german tanks, for example the tiger.  Is it spare track sections or something?  Some kind of armor?

 

I'm trying to post a pic to show what I'm talking about but I'm just getting error messages.  Obvs the russians are colluding with imgur, I'll have to make an account when I have more time...

Go to imgur, click sign in. On that page, you'll see a menu on the left. Click "random mode", then you can upload and grab direct link 



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View Post_UrgleMcPurfle_, on 12 December 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

 

They would actually increase the protection afforded by the armor. Smoothness doesn't affect effective armor.

 

View Postcheasesteak, on 12 December 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

 

​It probably would, at least in some cases.  But, the guys at the front aren't doing ballistics tests, they are just looking at KO'ed shermans with holes through the front armor, and thinking "I need more stuff between me and the enemy." 

 

hmmmmm....something to think about.

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View Postchristian1470, on 12 December 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:

Go to imgur, click sign in. On that page, you'll see a menu on the left. Click "random mode", then you can upload and grab direct link 

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View Post9_V0LT, on 12 December 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

 

Zimmerit was not armor.  anti-magnetic paste to avoid mines. 

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I think it was a combination of "we need to store these spare track links somewhere" and "every extra mm of armor helps in theory". Might as well slap them on the front, even if it doesn't really add much thickness. 

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View PostCletusrocks_ap, on 12 December 2017 - 12:34 PM, said:

 

once you upload, click the link button to the left of the link field, itself. It will give you the option of "direct link". Click that, then copy. Paste that link into the image url in the forum task bar and your image will show in the post 

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View Postcheesehead247365, on 12 December 2017 - 05:43 PM, said:

 

Zimmerit was not armor.  anti-magnetic paste to avoid mines. 

 

OP's question was: "what is this stuff? "

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for those of you with real life experience.. don't we use something called "ablative" armor now as well? From what I understand. It's a layer of ceramic material that covers the inner, basic armor. The ablative armors job being to shatter and absorb some of the impact energy from a round? 

 

or am I wrong? I dont really know. 


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View Postoutersketcher, on 12 December 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

for those of you with real life experience.. don't we use something called "ablative" armor now as well? From what I understand. It's a layer of ceramic material that covers the inner, basic armor. The ablative armors job being to shatter and absorb some of the impact energy from a round? 

 

or am I wrong? I dont really know. 

 

Ablative armor is meant to sacrificed to block an incoming attack. In contrast to current armors that are of a uniform thickness all around the armored vehicle, an advanced ablative armor would anticipate imminent attacks and concentrate its mass appropriately. Because of this futuristic quality, ablative armor is seen more frequently in science fiction scenarios than in real world militaries. However, as conventional weapons become obsolete at the expense of more advanced energy weapons, ablative armor will become very useful. For example, certain reentry vehicles use ablative armor to protect them from the extreme heat of entering earth’s atmosphere.

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View Postoutersketcher, on 12 December 2017 - 03:03 PM, said:

for those of you with real life experience.. don't we use something called "ablative" armor now as well? From what I understand. It's a layer of ceramic material that covers the inner, basic armor. The ablative armors job being to shatter and absorb some of the impact energy from a round? 

 

or am I wrong? I dont really know. 

 

Kind of... Chobham and similar composite armors use special ceramic/metal sandwiches and other means of voodoo to avoid deathification of the tank they're slapped upon.

 

http://en.wikipedia..../Chobham_armour

 

Some actual "ablative" armors include ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor) which "blows up" an incoming threat (HEAT most specifically, although some ERA's have enough oomph to deflect kinetic energy penetrators as well), and some active armor protection systems like Russian Drozd and Arena anti-missile systems.


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View PostBlartch, on 12 December 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

 

Kind of... Chobham and similar composite armors use special ceramic/metal sandwiches and other means of voodoo to avoid deathification of the tank they're slapped upon.

 

http://en.wikipedia..../Chobham_armour

 

Some actual "ablative" armors include ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor) which "blows up" an incoming threat (HEAT most specifically, although some ERA's have enough oomph to deflect kinetic energy penetrators as well), and some active armor protection systems like Russian Drozd and Arena anti-missile systems.

 

Was going to mention reactive armor. I think that's more common than anything else (not that I'm super knowledgeable about modern tank armor, of course)





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