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Chariot_Solace #1 Posted 17 March 2018 - 08:50 PM

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^^^^^

85mm HE = 300 dmg

88 and 90mm HE = 270

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No, you hit it right on the head. This would be an example of Russian Bias. It does exist in some ways.

 

Edit: you'll notice that only Russian tanks mount 85mm's, just like 122mm's and 152mm's. And 130mm's. 


Edited by I_Maverick_I, 17 March 2018 - 08:56 PM.

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I think some of it depends on muzzle energy and other factors, but in general I think it is a bit Fk’d up. It’s understandable balance-wise for the RU-251 to have 270 HE, but for many others it makes no sense.

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WG says that historically the 85mm HE was more destructive than the 88/90mm HE rounds.

 

 


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View PostPosit1ve_, on 17 March 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

WG says that historically the 85mm HE was more destructive than the 88/90mm HE rounds.

 

 

 

wider caliber prolly makes for larger volume of shell, which probably means they could fit more explosive material. I'm curious as to how WG arrived at this and what their sources are? Stalin's brown nosed advisors?

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what will hit harder, a 44 magnum or a 45 acp. magnum will, more powder. It is not about the caliber as much as the powder behind the shell and the shell design. look at the damage the squeeze gun does in the vk 28.01 as a good example. 

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Caliber is not everything. Explosive damage depends on the composition of the shell and the type of explosive. Historically Russian tanks had very powerful HE shells.

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View PostNWasabi, on 17 March 2018 - 11:01 PM, said:

Caliber is not everything. Explosive damage depends on the composition of the shell and the type of explosive. Historically Russian tanks had very powerful HE shells.

 

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View PostTheDirtdart, on 17 March 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

what will hit harder, a 44 magnum or a 45 acp. magnum will, more powder. It is not about the caliber as much as the powder behind the shell and the shell design. look at the damage the squeeze gun does in the vk 28.01 as a good example. 

 

View PostNWasabi, on 17 March 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

Caliber is not everything. Explosive damage depends on the composition of the shell and the type of explosive. Historically Russian tanks had very powerful HE shells.

 

Yes but it isn’t just one 85mm gun compared to one 88 or 90mm gun. It is all 85s compared to all 88s and 90s in the game whose shells would have several different designs.

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View PostChariot_Solace, on 17 March 2018 - 11:09 PM, said:

Yes but it isn’t just one 85mm gun compared to one 88 or 90mm gun. It is all 85s compared to all 88s and 90s in the game whose shells would have several different designs.

The only 85mms are variants of the same Soviet gun. Most 88s are variants of two German guns. As for 90mms, consider the RU 251's HE shell.



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Probably the same reason why 75mm HE was historically better than 76mm HE

 

Higher velocity gun (especially german 88 and American 90, which were developed from AAA guns) means shell wall has to be thicker, meaning less room for filling


 


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View Postdoonglerules, on 17 March 2018 - 05:23 PM, said:

Probably the same reason why 75mm HE was historically better than 76mm HE

 

Higher velocity gun (especially german 88 and American 90, which were developed from AAA guns) means shell wall has to be thicker, meaning less room for filling

 

That’s true but the the T-34-85’s gun was also derived from an AA gun. The long barreled 52k model 39. All WW2 Soviet 85s were derived from this gun.

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View Postdoonglerules, on 17 March 2018 - 05:23 PM, said:

Probably the same reason why 75mm HE was historically better than 76mm HE

 

Higher velocity gun (especially german 88 and American 90, which were developed from AAA guns) means shell wall has to be thicker, meaning less room for filling

 

Exactly, that was one of the reason many US crews kept 75mm shermans, better HE shell traveling slower worked better against infantry.

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Another weird one—Leo HE shells do 20 less damage than the Russian meds', despite being larger. I don't really care that much tho

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View Postdoonglerules, on 17 March 2018 - 05:23 PM, said:

Probably the same reason why 75mm HE was historically better than 76mm HE

 

Higher velocity gun (especially german 88 and American 90, which were developed from AAA guns) means shell wall has to be thicker, meaning less room for filling

 

Both the 75mm and the 76mm American guns have the same alpha all across the board in the game though. I know the 75mm packed a better he round irl, but you don't see the game take this into accout like they way they do with the 85mm. Russian bias confirmed.


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Why does a Porsche with 4 cylinders go faster than a Buick with 8? 

 


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View PostBIueMax, on 17 March 2018 - 11:57 PM, said:

Why does a Porsche with 4 cylinders go faster than a Buick with 8? 

 

because emissions regulations and the oil embargo killed the muscle car and brought on underpowered land battleships

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View PostBIueMax, on 18 March 2018 - 05:57 AM, said:

Why does a Porsche with 4 cylinders go faster than a Buick with 8? 

 

Because naturally aspirated straight 8s suck [edited], buicks were usually a hell of a lot heavier, porsche slapped turbochargers on anything they could.

 

Nothing about an 85mm HE shell is going to give it a dramatically harder punch than a 90. 


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View Postdport02, on 17 March 2018 - 07:07 PM, said:

 

cough KV-2..

 

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