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[therealrattler]

Jonny_applesauce, on 16 May 2018 - 08:04 PM, said:

 

^^

 

the mark of a good player is being able to take a tank with less strengths that some others and still be effective by maximizing said strenths

Agreed, but don't try to sell a mediocre tank to be a keeper to newer players

[Player_5773117413]

__The_Dude_30__, on 16 May 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

 

The T29, T34, and T30 all have that commander's hatch you can pen, the T32 turret has no such thing.

 

Hatch is still vulnerable on t32 but it's a tiny target. Something with the dispersion of an e50 can endanger it at close range. It's even more at risk when facehugging against a tank that's slightly taller. 

 

T32 used to be cool because it was one of the most versatile tier 8 heavies. But the game changes brought out its poopy gun and I think it's a bit less relevant these days. Newer balanced variants of its peers like the T34 and Lowe have such strong suits that they outweigh that versatility on the t32

[therealrattler]

_AzorAhai, on 16 May 2018 - 09:21 PM, said:

First off, I don’t know how you can give an opinion of a tank you have barely played. Second of, you aren’t very good in any of your tier 8’s and it looks like you have basically just started to even get them. This is more or less a problem with you playing up a tier and probably expecting the same things to work.

Ah thank you for attacking my stats, always great fun. I actually grinded up this line when I was quite new and purchased a ridiculous amount of tier 8 prems. Now I'm staying away from higher tiers and really perfecting t7. But as always, thanks for trying to invalidate my argument by shaming my stats

[_AzorAhai]

therealrattler, on 16 May 2018 - 04:25 PM, said:

Ah thank you for attacking my stats, always great fun. I actually grinded up this line when I was quite new and purchased a ridiculous amount of tier 8 prems. Now I'm staying away from higher tiers and really perfecting t7. But as always, thanks for trying to invalidate my argument by shaming my stats

 

It’s not stat shaming, so you flat out just said it was like one of the first lines you played, you barely have any games in it, and are mainly playing tier 7. So please explain to me why you think you can call the T32 bad

[_AzorAhai]

[_AzorAhai]

Statistically the T32 is out performing a variety of other tier 8 heavys in both average WR and damage.

[therealrattler]

_AzorAhai, on 16 May 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

Stats don't show everything. Notice the tanks it outperforms. They are either prems( which less experienced players can ruin stats in) or they are high skill ceiling tanks such as the 50-100. The 32 is just a middle o' the line at that will never be as competitive as some of its competition. Also notice these are only 55-65 stats, not player base

Edited by therealrattler, 16 May 2018 - 09:36 PM.

[_AzorAhai]

therealrattler, on 16 May 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

Stats don't show everything. Notice the tanks it outperforms. They are either prems( which less experienced players can ruin stats in) or they are high skill ceiling tanks such as the 50-100. The 32 is just a middle o' the line at that will never be as competitive as some of its competition

 

if you look at the data sets you can notice the lowest WR is 55%, These came right from WG and only use 55%+ WR players

[therealrattler]

_AzorAhai, on 16 May 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

 

if you look at the data sets you can notice the lowest WR is 55%, These came right from WG and only use 55%+ WR players

That's literally what I just said

[_AzorAhai]

therealrattler, on 16 May 2018 - 04:38 PM, said:

That's literally what I just said

 

No it’s not, you said that it out shines a lot of premiums that bad players can get and ruin/bring down stats in. Which this data set doesn’t allow

[_AzorAhai]

And 55%WR isn’t hard to get too, and really doesn’t qualify under High Skill Ceiling 

[_Crusader6_]

therealrattler, on 16 May 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

Stats don't show everything. Notice the tanks it outperforms. They are either prems( which less experienced players can ruin stats in) or they are high skill ceiling tanks such as the 50-100. The 32 is just a middle o' the line at that will never be as competitive as some of its competition. Also notice these are only 55-65 stats, not player base

 

I haven’t looked at your stats, but have you played the Caernarvon? 

[_AzorAhai]

__Crusader6__, on 16 May 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

 

I haven’t looked at your stats, but have you played the Caernarvon? 

 

yes he has crusader, one of his better ones

[MudkipAtWar]

I’ve only ever fought and won with a t32 hulldown in one tank, and it is my lowe, with copious amounts of gold spammed at the hatch. Any tank without a sniper rifle with really good pen can do nothing. 

[_Crusader6_]

_AzorAhai, on 16 May 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

 

yes he has crusader, one of his better ones

 

I ended up looking at his stats.  

 

OP, you have awful damage ratios. You aren’t ready for tier 7-8 or anything higher. 

 

 

[NaDa_22]

T32 is absolutely fine.

 

I would even argue it's better than T29 tier-per-tier. It might be slightly inferior to T34 only because 400 alpha is preferred over 310 for a heavy tank.  

 

therealrattler, on 16 May 2018 - 09:35 PM, said:

Stats don't show everything. Notice the tanks it outperforms. They are either prems( which less experienced players can ruin stats in) or they are high skill ceiling tanks such as the 50-100. The 32 is just a middle o' the line at that will never be as competitive as some of its competition. Also notice these are only 55-65 stats, not player base

 

No one cares about the entire player base stats, because aggregate results from clueless players amount to a little or no insight. At least 55-65% guys know how to play the game, so how they perform relatively for a given tank is a decent measure on how good or bad the tank is. And T32 is doing fine - as many here can attest to. 

 

AMX 50-100 is not a high ceiling tank. It just sucks in the current shape. I am genuinely confused why Caenarvon is performing so poorly, but otherwise that data set is more ore less accurate reflection. 

[therealrattler]

__Crusader6__, on 16 May 2018 - 09:50 PM, said:

 

I ended up looking at his stats.  

 

OP, you have awful damage ratios. You aren’t ready for tier 7-8 or anything higher. 

 

 

Um I can do what I want. Caernarvon is a great tank, but as I have admitted multiple times in this thread, I'm not ready for tier 8 and am still training at tier 7. My tier 7 stats are actually quite good...

[NaDa_22]

therealrattler, on 16 May 2018 - 09:55 PM, said:

Um I can do what I want. Caernarvon is a great tank, but as I have admitted multiple times in this thread, I'm not ready for tier 8 and am still training at tier 7. My tier 7 stats are actually quite good...

 

If you are not ready for tier 8, then what's the point of trying to argue against Bushka? 

[Chariot_Solace]

therealrattler, on 16 May 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

Not really what I said....

Just don't try to sell a bad to mediocre tank to be a fantastic one. Instead, explain how to play it and keep your opinions to yourself, otherwise newer players will be tempted to go blow their hard-earned spare parts on a tank that'll let them down

 

Just because you think a tank is mediocre, it doesn’t mean that’s the case. He admitted and talked about the drawbacks thoroughly and I don’t think he overstated the strengths at all. He said it’s a hull down monster, which it is. It doesn’t fit into the status quo of typical boring trollwagons  like most tier 8 heavies and he talked about that too. If people go out and play this tank because of his video, that’s a good thing. There’s nothing wrong with telling people to try something different. Anything that promotes variety in the game is good. Back in the day everyone drove the same tanks because they could do everything and the game had no variety and it was boring and lame. Would you like to revisit those days? I certainly would not. No, you didn’t say that you would directly, but your argument is saying precisely that indirectly wether you realize it or not.

[Negaclaw]

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