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Destroy0 #1 Posted 20 June 2018 - 01:00 AM

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The tank is officially in the garage files.

 

Just look at that gun combined with 55 km speed limit...

 

The real balancing question is how much gun depression will it get?

 

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Negaclaw #3 Posted 20 June 2018 - 01:14 AM

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more than the borsig if they keep PC values

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View PostNegaclaw, on 20 June 2018 - 01:14 AM, said:

more than the borsig if they keep PC values

They won't keep the PC values



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Looking carefully through the stats, looks like It more or less maintains it's PC character, the 12,8cm PaK 44 L/55 on a mobile chassis and a fully traversible turret

 

Compared to the JP2, it's got significantly less DPM, nearly a full round per minute less, but it's more then the Borsig's 12,8 (however still less than even the Borsig's 15cm). This gives the Skorpion the lowest DPM of all tier 8 TDs, which puts it about in line with it's PC counterpart. The gun is interestingly more accurate on hard stats than JP2 and RHM's 12,8 (both accuracy and aim time), but it is likely the bloom statistics will be much, much worse then the other German TDs to balance this (just as it is on PC).

 

The mobility compared with PC at least based on the hard stats is also more or less preserved compared to PC. The speed limit was nerfed from 60 down to 55 (reasonable), the traverse numbers are about the same (think Blitz AMX 50B numbers), and the engine power is the same. We will have to wait for blitzhangar to release the terrain resistance to see if it was murdered there

 

The armor layout also appears identical (completely paper).

 

So far, the jury is still out. In order to make an accurate judgement, we'll need to see the soft stats (gun handling and terrain resistance), but it seems more or less like what I'd expect from the Skorpion G

 

I don't think it'll be OP though, unless it gets some crazy nice gun handling and terrain resistance stats (unlikely). I think it'll actually be pretty tough to play for most due to the paper armor, low HP, low DPM (for a TD), and huge silhouette, but it'll be a welcome addition to any credit grinding fleet. Without long open sniping lanes like PC, it won't be the destroyer of tier 8 MM like it is there.

 

 


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View PostPosit1ve_, on 20 June 2018 - 01:28 AM, said:

Looking carefully through the stats, looks like It more or less maintains it's PC character, the 12,8cm PaK 44 L/55 on a mobile chassis and a fully traversible turret

 

Compared to the JP2, it's got significantly less DPM, nearly a full round per minute less, but it's more then the Borsig's 12,8 (however still less than even the Borsig's 15cm). This gives the Skorpion the lowest DPM of all tier 8 TDs, which puts it about in line with it's PC counterpart. The gun is interestingly more accurate on hard stats than JP2 and RHM's 12,8 (both accuracy and aim time), but it is likely the bloom statistics will be much, much worse then the other German TDs to balance this.

 

The mobility compared with PC at least based on the hard stats is also more or less preserved compared to PC. The speed limit was nerfed from 60 down to 55 (reasonable), the traverse numbers are about the same (think Blitz AMX 50B numbers), and the engine power is the same. We will have to wait for blitzhangar to release the terrain resistance to see if it was murdered there

 

The armor layout also appears identical (completely paper).

 

So far, the jury is still out. In order to make an accurate judgement, we'll need to see the soft stats (gun handling and terrain resistance), but it seems more or less like what I'd expect from the Skorpion G

 

I don't think it'll be OP though, unless it gets some crazy nice gun handling and terrain resistance stats (unlikely). I think it'll actually be pretty tough to play for most due to the paper armor, low HP, low DPM (for a TD), and huge silhouette, but it'll be a welcome addition to any credit grinding fleet. Without long open sniping lanes like PC, it won't be the destroyer of tier 8 MM like it is there.

 

 

Now my super perishing has another monster pen td it has to face...



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Best medium tank of tier 8

 

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View PostPosit1ve_, on 19 June 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

Looking carefully through the stats, looks like It more or less maintains it's PC character, the 12,8cm PaK 44 L/55 on a mobile chassis and a fully traversible turret

 

Compared to the JP2, it's got significantly less DPM, nearly a full round per minute less, but it's more then the Borsig's 12,8 (however still less than even the Borsig's 15cm). This gives the Skorpion the lowest DPM of all tier 8 TDs, which puts it about in line with it's PC counterpart. The gun is interestingly more accurate on hard stats than JP2 and RHM's 12,8 (both accuracy and aim time), but it is likely the bloom statistics will be much, much worse then the other German TDs to balance this (just as it is on PC).

 

The mobility compared with PC at least based on the hard stats is also more or less preserved compared to PC. The speed limit was nerfed from 60 down to 55 (reasonable), the traverse numbers are about the same (think Blitz AMX 50B numbers), and the engine power is the same. We will have to wait for blitzhangar to release the terrain resistance to see if it was murdered there

 

The armor layout also appears identical (completely paper).

 

So far, the jury is still out. In order to make an accurate judgement, we'll need to see the soft stats (gun handling and terrain resistance), but it seems more or less like what I'd expect from the Skorpion G

 

I don't think it'll be OP though, unless it gets some crazy nice gun handling and terrain resistance stats (unlikely). I think it'll actually be pretty tough to play for most due to the paper armor, low HP, low DPM (for a TD), and huge silhouette, but it'll be a welcome addition to any credit grinding fleet. Without long open sniping lanes like PC, it won't be the destroyer of tier 8 MM like it is there.

 

 

Positive: "Without long open sniping lanes like PC, it won't be the destroyer of tier 8 MM like it is there."

 

Wargaming; "Psych, let's give the thing 14 degrees of gun depression and terrain resistances that'll let it cruise through even water."



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Basically the Skorpion G in comparison to the JP2 and Borsig is viewed as completely overpowered for a couple reasons

 

  1. It has better gun depression than both; 7 degrees off the sides and 5.8 off the direct front
  2. It has superior mobility; 60km/h top speed compared to 55km/h (JP2) and 35km/h (Borsig)
  3. It has better camouflage despite being taller than both
  4. It possesses a fully traversing turret with the same rotation speed as the Borsig
  5. It has 0.05 better dispersion and a 0.2 better aim time.
  6. It has the highest power-to-weight
  7. It has better armor than the Borsig (30mm frontal compared to 20mm frontal).

 

The cons are pretty extreme:

  1. Horrific ground resistance values (it's a slug going through water; Russian heavies will go faster than it does)
  2. It has absolute horrendous gun handling, and adding V-Stab doesn't help
  3. It has the lowest hull traverse of the Tier VIII German TDs (31 compared to 39)
  4. As Posit1ve_ mentioned, it has the lowest DPM
  5. The back of the turret is completely hitbox, and counts as a massive ammo rack (suggested spam HE).

Overall, if they add the Skoprion with its PC stats (with reduce alpha damage, obviously) then it will likely be just mildly overpowered in the Blitz meta.


Edited by RommelTanker, 20 June 2018 - 01:46 AM.

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View PostM1NIMAN, on 19 June 2018 - 08:36 PM, said:

Now my super perishing has another monster pen td it has to face...

 

You don't need monster pen to pen the Super Pershing. 210mm+ is enough to reliably pen the mantlet, and just 200m+ pen will go through the upper and lower plate no problem. The only strong parts on the Super Pershing are the mantlet edges and a small band in the center of the hull

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View PostPosit1ve_, on 19 June 2018 - 05:43 PM, said:

 

You don't need monster pen to pen the Super Pershing. 210mm+ is enough to reliably pen the mantlet, and just 200m+ pen will go through the upper and lower plate no problem. The only strong parts on the Super Pershing are the mantlet edges and a small band in the center of the hull

 

Don't forget that the turret front is the same as a normal Pershing; easy to pen and huge. Most Tier VII mediums can penetrate the front turret under the "ears" and "mustache" of the Super Pershing.

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View PostRommelTanker, on 19 June 2018 - 08:43 PM, said:

Basically the Skorpion G in comparison to the JP2 and Borsig is viewed as completely overpowered for a couple reasons

 

  1. It has better gun depression than both; 7 degrees off the sides and 5.8 off the direct front
  2. It has superior mobility; 60km/h top speed compared to 55km/h (JP2) and 35km/h (Borsig)
  3. It has better camouflage despite being taller than both
  4. It possesses a fully traversing turret with the same rotation speed as the Borsig
  5. It has 0.05 better dispersion and a 0.2 better aim time.
  6. It has the highest power-to-weight
  7. It has better armor than the Borsig (30mm frontal compared to 20mm frontal).

 

Overall, if they add the Skoprion with its PC stats (with reduce alpha damage, obviously) then it will likely be just mildly overpowered in the Blitz meta.

3. Is completely untrue. Everyone knows the Skorpion G has poor camouflage rating. While it's marginally better than JP2, it's nowhere near the Borsig (About the same as a Cent 7/1 for reference)

5. Is counteracted by poor gun handling numbers.

6. Is only technically true. On PC, the terrain resistance values are atrocious, which make the effective p/w (on all terrain types) lower than the JP2 or the AC48 for instance, and the good mobility is further counteracted by the relatively low traverse numbers

7. Is pretty much irrelevant. Everyone will pen the turret and hull cheeks with HE regardless, 

 

It's OP on PC because 490 alpha going 60km/h in a straight line with a fully traversible turret allows it to flex between sniping positions easily while staying out of draw distance, and high pen lets it deal with tier 10's far better than other tier 8's. 

 

On Blitz, even if it got 7 degrees of gun depression, I don't see it as being overpowered because Blitz lacks the strong sniping positions of PC, and fighting tier 10's is a non-issue. You still can't play super aggressively like a light/medium tank can due to low traverse numbers, poor camo, and a massive silhouette, and you still have the downside of armor vulnerable to HE. Compared with other TDs, the camo is lower, and the gun isn't as good. Will it be a strong tank? Undoubtedly. Firepower and mobility in one package can never be ignored, but the drawbacks will be much more noticeable here then on PC, and keep it much more in check.


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Simply put, it's going to be an rhm that trades it's camo and gun selection for more flexibility (mobility and gun depression)

As of such, we can probably expect it to perform like an rhm, but the extra flexibility will allow it to perform better in the hands of a unicum.

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View PostDestroy0, on 19 June 2018 - 09:00 PM, said:

Simply put, it's going to be an rhm that trades it's camo and gun selection for more flexibility (mobility and gun depression)

As of such, we can probably expect it to perform like an rhm, but the extra flexibility will allow it to perform better in the hands of a unicum.

 

Pretty much

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I’d buy it. Looks cool, might as well be a borsig with slightly different stats. Makes coin. Sure.

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Thing is on PC nobody gets to use HE on paper tanks because you can't switch ammo types w/out reloading. This means that since AP is the best choice 9 times out of 10, AP will be loaded and shot at paper tanks

 

On blitz, paper tanks get mauled if they get spotted because you can fire whatever you like at them.


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I expect it to perform like a tier 8 hellcat with an extremely powerful gun. 

 

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View PostJonny_applesauce, on 19 June 2018 - 07:39 PM, said:

Thing is on PC nobody gets to use HE on paper tanks because you can't switch ammo types w/out reloading. This means that since AP prammo is the best choice 9 times out of 10, AP will be loaded and shot at paper tanks

 

On blitz, paper tanks get mauled if they get spotted because you can fire whatever you like at them.

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