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guardian_angel_2017 #1 Posted 02 July 2018 - 05:16 PM

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I am wondering why the object 263 doesn't have any exploitable weaknesses. I can never seem to take one out one on one whenever I drive my T57 Heavy. Also, if it goes up against meds, it's nothing but a slaughterhouse- the 263 rapes the meds at an alarming speed. Sure, the thing doesn't have gun depression, and its sides are weak, but its so easy to cover up these weaknesses. I honestly think the 263 needs a nerf to its frontal armor profile.

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Shadow__Lugia #2 Posted 02 July 2018 - 05:20 PM

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Nope, I don’t think so. It’s rare enough to see one in game anyways for it to make much of a difference. It also doesn’t help that I’m a proud 263 driver and would hate for it to be nerfed

guardian_angel_2017 #3 Posted 02 July 2018 - 05:23 PM

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View PostShadow__Lugia, on 02 July 2018 - 05:20 PM, said:

Nope, I don’t think so. It’s rare enough to see one in game anyways for it to make much of a difference. It also doesn’t help that I’m a proud 263 driver and would hate for it to be nerfed

 

Surely you cant think that tearing apart m48 pattons, t62a/obj 140's, leo 1's, and stb-1's within seconds isn't alarmingly overpowered at all? Don't even get me started on when it comes against BC 25T

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It’s got a weak lower plate and gun mantlet, and the sides can be overmatched preventing it from sidescraping. If you have a tall tank and it face hugs you just shoot down on the engine deck. It’s not that hard to kill 
 
 
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TikiTarr #5 Posted 02 July 2018 - 05:30 PM

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NOOOOOO, I'm grinding that line because that frontal armor is amazing.  I want it to be OP!!
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View PostTikiTarr, on 02 July 2018 - 11:30 AM, said:

NOOOOOO, I'm grinding that line because that frontal armor is amazing.  I want it to be OP!!

 

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guardian_angel_2017 #7 Posted 02 July 2018 - 05:38 PM

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View PostRH_131, on 02 July 2018 - 05:27 PM, said:

It’s got a weak lower plate and gun mantlet, and the sides can be overmatched preventing it from sidescraping. If you have a tall tank and it face hugs you just shoot down on the engine deck. It’s not that hard to kill 

 

Let's take a tank like, say, the m48, I suppose. It's not very maneuverable, and it's armor profile is really poor, unless it's hiding its hull and only showing the top. On flat ground, how exactly would this m48 who isn't much taller than the obj, but taller than most of its medium peers, manage to kill the 263? The 263 has enough mobility to stop it- actually it has enough mobility to stop any medium/light from COD'ing it- so what are the mediums supposed to do? You see what I mean? The 263 is broken against medium tanks in particular.

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263 is already the worst tier X TD

 

If you want to know how to kill it, here's how:

Mantlet is only 270mm thick. Any prammo will slice straight through

Lower plate is paper

Engine deck is 3x overmatch for anything, so even at ridiculous angles, it'll pen

Sides are like 70mm IIRC, and the tank is super long, so if he overangles just a tad, the sides are an easy pen

The fighting compartment sticks out on the sides and top a little compared to engine compartment; shoot the flat joining frontally for an easy pen

 

 

Moreover, when you actually play the 263, it suffers from the worst gun arc at tier X,  a horrid 4 degrees of gun depression, the lowest alpha and lowest pen of all tier X TDs, and literally everyone pens the weakspots I just mentioned. And to make things worse, the tank is absurdly large, and has a rear mounted gun making aggressive play impossible without making your sides an easy pen.


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View Postguardian_angel_2017, on 02 July 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

 

Let's take a tank like, say, the m48, I suppose. It's not very maneuverable, and it's armor profile is really poor, unless it's hiding its hull and only showing the top. On flat ground, how exactly would this m48 who isn't much taller than the obj, but taller than most of its medium peers, manage to kill the 263? The 263 has enough mobility to stop it- actually it has enough mobility to stop any medium/light from COD'ing it- so what are the mediums supposed to do? You see what I mean? The 263 is broken against medium tanks in particular.

 

The 263 specializes in Mobility, it's the only real tank destroyer that does.

 

Every tank has a bad matchup with another and a preferable matchup with another. 

 

Say for Example the Beta Sherman Vs. Leopard.

 

The Beta Sherman will bounce most shells that the Leo fires and has enough mobility to keep the Leo in front of it. The Beta Sherman having lower pen than most T5 75mm guns will be able to easily penetrate the Leopard. 

 

Now say for example Beta Sherman Vs. Matilda BP. The Matilda while it may not be fast has enough traverse and turret traverse to fire at any attacker, and will punish with it's high 130mm of penetration, and fast firing 6pdr. The Beta Sherman with it's lower pen while it may not ricochet every shot, it will struggle slightly with the Matilda's Armor Profile. The Matilda will normally come out on top in this case given it's high DPM, Armor Profile, and Penetration, as well as it's ability to turn turret and hull fast.

 

If every tank was neutral against one another that would not let people use strengths, hence the Obj. 263 being an Anti-Medium tank. 

 

The Obj. 263 struggles with other TDs as it cannot trade well, and it's sides are typically overmatched by the 150mm+ calibre's. It also struggles with heavies as while it does have high pen usually trades shots with limited results as it has the second smallest HP pool, just ahead of the grille 15 by only 50 Hitpoints.

 

The tank is truly balanced, as it has two vehicle types that keep it in check, while we only have 1 tier 10 light in the game, and mediums are occasionally not all too common to see.



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Nah, I think it's my worst tier 10 TD based on win rate. I think people struggle against it because of its rarity and they just don't know all the weaknesses.

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View Postguardian_angel_2017, on 02 July 2018 - 09:23 AM, said:

 

Surely you cant think that tearing apart m48 pattons, t62a/obj 140's, leo 1's, and stb-1's within seconds isn't alarmingly overpowered at all? Don't even get me started on when it comes against BC 25T

 

View Postguardian_angel_2017, on 02 July 2018 - 09:16 AM, said:

Hi.

I am wondering why the object 263 doesn't have any exploitable weaknesses. I can never seem to take one out one on one whenever I drive my T57 Heavy. Also, if it goes up against meds, it's nothing but a slaughterhouse- the 263 rapes the meds at an alarming speed. Sure, the thing doesn't have gun depression, and its sides are weak, but its so easy to cover up these weaknesses. I honestly think the 263 needs a nerf to its frontal armor profile.

What do you guys think?

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View PostRommelTanker, on 02 July 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

 

You realize the 263's job description is "Medium tank hunter" right?

It's balanced the way it is. You just need to Git Gud TM

I find this ironic, considering this is from a reroll who doesn't even have a Tier X.


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View Postfluffyteddy763, on 02 July 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

I find this ironic, considering this is from a reroll who doesn't even have a Tier X.

 

I've played the 263 a couple of times and I can tell you confidently it's a medium hunter. The penetration (for a TD) is garbage but is fine against mediums, it outclasses all the mediums in terms of DPM, and the frontal armor is tailored to counter medium tank penetration but not heavies.
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For all the guys say the 263 has the worst tier 10 td pen it actually doesn’t it has 290 the Foch has 280 making it the worst

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