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krietenstein34 #21 Posted 13 July 2018 - 01:46 PM

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View PostDan_Deerso, on 12 July 2018 - 07:16 PM, said:

I'm just hoping against hope that Zebra will actually listen for once. He's retired the DW2 what, three times now is it Pete? You're not making much progress "in the right direction" I'm afraid. I told you when you were starting out that you shouldn't rush up the tiers, but this is just as bad. You can rehab a tank even with hundreds of games in it, but you'll never live down ten thousand games of seal clubbing.

 

I find this post incredibly annoying. If the man wants to play his D.W., let him play his D.W. - if people want to seal club for 10,000 games, let them seal club. I mean, it's a [edited] [edited] game. I play what I want to play, when I want to play it, and I don't give a flying [edited] what you unicums think about that. My friend who only plays tier III asks me to toon, and I feel like doing it, I do. 

 

If people are less likely to listen to what I have to say because I'm a clubber, so the [edited] what? Just like how I play, I say what I feel like, when I feel like it. You don't have to agree with me, or even take me seriously. Half the time, I'm not being serious anyway.

 

You pick on people for not having dark purple stats, like that [edited] matters - or if they have purple stats, and it's because they club, then they're bad people. If people stay in the low tiers, then they're bad players or clubbers, but alternatively, if they move up too quickly, they're wrong. "They won't learn anything in the low tiers," but heaven forbid they come into the upper tiers and ruin your game when they're on green.

 

Maybe this is the pot calling the kettle black, but some of you take this [edited] way too [edited] seriously. Get a [edited] grip.

 

Play. the. [edited]. game. the. way. you. want. to. play. it. Period.

 

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mike82198 #23 Posted 13 July 2018 - 04:22 PM

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WN8 is meaningless in Blitz. 

 



mpastor2000 #24 Posted 14 July 2018 - 09:07 AM

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View Postmike82198, on 13 July 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

WN8 is meaningless in Blitz. 

 

 

I too dont believe it is that overly useful of a stat.  Damage done weighs heavily in the calculations with kills buffing that weighting.  I am not sure I see reason for the complex calculations when it correlates so closely to damage done in battle.  If you think damage done in battle is the main or most important factor in match performance then WN8 is the stat for you.  Though most good players have high WN8.  All high WN8 players are not good players.  I believe this is due to damage padding by many over team play and match winning.  There are not really any aspects, for example, of supremacy mode play in the stat.  A team for example, could all score great WN8 results while blowing cap play and losing the match in supremacy, and winning is a minor component of WN8.  That winning is a minor component in a stat supposedly setup to represent a players performance seems odd to me.

Afleet_Alex #25 Posted 14 July 2018 - 01:28 PM

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This type of post always devolves into the same answers.

 

My stats are great and yours are not so good.

because ...

...you platoon too much.

...you seal club too much.

...you only have masteries in 99.9% of your tanks.

...anyone who’s not in prammo has terrible stats.

...your average damage is not 6k in tier four.

...etc ...etc..

 

When you’re in a game, you’ll know if someone is a good player or not ...  that’s how you tell.

 

 

 



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View PostAfleet_Alex, on 14 July 2018 - 01:28 PM, said:

This type of post always devolves into the same answers.

 

My stats are great and yours are not so good.

because ...

...you platoon too much.

...you seal club too much.

...you only have masteries in 99.9% of your tanks.

...anyone who’s not in prammo has terrible stats.

...your average damage is not 6k in tier four.

...etc ...etc..

 

When you’re in a game, you’ll know if someone is a good player or not ...  that’s how you tell.

 

 

 

 

I would agree but the op asked about wn8 was and it is now a discussion about wn8 and all that you complained about is what can effect wn8.

Grande_Klotzak #27 Posted 14 July 2018 - 04:43 PM

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View Postmike82198, on 13 July 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

WN8 is meaningless in Blitz. 

 

 

Can you please explain?

mike82198 #28 Posted 14 July 2018 - 05:18 PM

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View PostGrande_Klotzak, on 14 July 2018 - 11:43 AM, said:

 

Can you please explain?

 

It is an irrelevant metric copy-pasted from a completely different game. 

 

If you look at clan rankings on NA you will see PRAMO is 1st by WN8 so you may think I’m being an [edited] when I say the above, but I would not care if we were 50th. To me WN8 meaningless and I never use it in recruiting or to measure anything - this is also true for the top clans on RU and EU. 



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View Postmike82198, on 14 July 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

 

It is an irrelevant metric copy-pasted from a completely different game. 

 

If you look at clan rankings on NA you will see PRAMO is 1st by WN8 so you may think I’m being an [edited] when I say the above, but I would not care if we were 50th. To me WN8 meaningless and I never use it in recruiting or to measure anything - this is also true for the top clans on RU and EU. 

 

Could you please explain what you look for when recruiting members for PRAMO?

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View PostButton2011, on 14 July 2018 - 01:19 PM, said:

2900+

Used to be 3600 peak but I’m so washed up that I lost 600wn8 in two months

 

At what tiers? 

   It’s fairly easy to stat pad WN8 in tier 8 and below. 

 

I could get a 4k WN8 playing no tier 9-10, and sticking to certain WN8 padding tanks.  

  Heck I can keep it above 3k by choosing certain 9-10’s. 

 

I used to be overly enamored with it - until I saw how little it reflected my actual play.   

 

 

 

 


 

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View PostGrande_Klotzak, on 14 July 2018 - 12:30 PM, said:

 

Could you please explain what you look for when recruiting members for PRAMO?

 

Generally speaking: excellence, outstanding achievement of some relevant form, the ability to make a unique contribution. Without going into boring specifics, strangers - people we don’t know from tournaments, tier 10, or Ratings Battles (RIP) - are unlikely to be good candidates. There’s a rough stat eligibility guideline*, but it’s not a guarantee for consideration or admission. It’s mostly there to save everyone time.

 

* - 2950 avg dmg in tier 10



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mpastor2000 #34 Posted 14 July 2018 - 10:14 PM

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View Postmike82198, on 14 July 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

 

It is an irrelevant metric copy-pasted from a completely different game. 

 

If you look at clan rankings on NA you will see PRAMO is 1st by WN8 so you may think I’m being an [edited] when I say the above, but I would not care if we were 50th. To me WN8 meaningless and I never use it in recruiting or to measure anything - this is also true for the top clans on RU and EU. 

 

Let me ask, do you know if your clan is first in damage output.  I bet it is.  That is why your are first in WN8.  The "completely different" game would not happen to be the PC version of the game.  If so, I think WN8 has the same value in that game as it does in this.

 

But, you all didnt beat the "Ruskies" in the mobile with just great damage output.  I saw fire focus skill, Cap monitoring and capturing skill, decoy deployment and play, and attention to situational awareness, just to name a few.  None of which appear anywhere in the WN8 number (I hesitate to even call it a stat).

 



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View Postmike82198, on 14 July 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

 

It is an irrelevant metric copy-pasted from a completely different game. 

 

If you look at clan rankings on NA you will see PRAMO is 1st by WN8 so you may think I’m being an [edited] when I say the above, but I would not care if we were 50th. To me WN8 meaningless and I never use it in recruiting or to measure anything - this is also true for the top clans on RU and EU. 

I thought Blitzstars had switched to use in-game averages as benchmarks awhile ago. Although it’s true the formula is still from the PC version.



mike82198 #36 Posted 14 July 2018 - 11:26 PM

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Mpastor2000,

 

I imagine that PRAMO is first in all stats, and would be first in any composite stat irrespective of the weighting of each component. Either way, in my experience damage output has a very high correlation with all relevant skills in Blitz. The top damage dealers are also the players most likely to notice a teammate who needs help, a cap that needs to be reset or a target that needs to be finished off. 

 

Many of the skills that you mentioned with regards to Mobile Masters are absent not just from WN8, but also from random battles altogether. Tournaments are a completely different game mode/environment and should not be looked at in this context. Strategy/tactics are much more important in high level tournaments because the skill gaps between individual players are not significant. 

 

Fedsnbr,

 

Adjusting the benchmarks only alters the colors/numbers - both meaningless as they're derived from a calculation that was created for a completely different game. 


Edited by mike82198, 14 July 2018 - 11:32 PM.


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View Post__Crusader6__, on 14 July 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

 

At what tiers? 

   It’s fairly easy to stat pad WN8 in tier 8 and below. 

 

I could get a 4k WN8 playing no tier 9-10, and sticking to certain WN8 padding tanks.  

  Heck I can keep it above 3k by choosing certain 9-10’s. 

 

I used to be overly enamored with it - until I saw how little it reflected my actual play.   

 

 

 

 

 

at average tier 8

mpastor2000 #38 Posted 15 July 2018 - 04:31 AM

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View Post__Crusader6__, on 14 July 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

 

At what tiers? 

   It’s fairly easy to stat pad WN8 in tier 8 and below. 

 

I could get a 4k WN8 playing no tier 9-10, and sticking to certain WN8 padding tanks.  

  Heck I can keep it above 3k by choosing certain 9-10’s. 

 

I used to be overly enamored with it - until I saw how little it reflected my actual play.   

 

 

 

 

 

I have a tier 1 with close to 9000 WN8 and a KDR of infinity.

 


Edited by mpastor2000, 15 July 2018 - 04:47 AM.


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View Postmike82198, on 14 July 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

Fedsnbr,

 

Adjusting the benchmarks only alters the colors/numbers - both meaningless as they're derived from a calculation that was created for a completely different game. 

 

WN8 collects and combine data associated with damage, kills, cap defence, and spots, if I recall correctly and then weights them.  The result is a number which my guess is up to 50 to 100% based on damage since multiple terms bring damage into the equation and it is weighted the highest.  So, perhaps a completely different game was its origin, but the four topics I mentioned occur in this game.  Are you saying the arbitrary weighting is a holdover from a completely different game...   I first experienced it in the PC version of the game some years ago.  It was my impression it is pretty similar to that calculation.

 

At any rate, it correlates very well with damage.  So, if you believe damage is most important trait for a WOT blitzer, then to me it seems the only complaint to level against WN8 is that it does not go far enough (at around 70% based on damage done).


Edited by mpastor2000, 15 July 2018 - 04:51 AM.


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View Postmpastor2000, on 15 July 2018 - 12:40 AM, said:

 

WN8 collects and combine data associated with damage, kills, cap defence, and spots, if I recall correctly and then weights them.  The result is a number which my guess is up to 50 to 100% based on damage since multiple terms bring damage into the equation and it is weighted the highest.  So, perhaps a completely different game was its origin, but the four topics I mentioned occur in this game.  Are you saying the arbitrary weighting is a holdover from a completely different game...   I first experienced it in the PC version of the game some years ago.  It was my impression it is pretty similar to that calculation.

 

At any rate, it correlates very well with damage.  So, if you believe damage is most important trait for a WOT blitzer, then to me it seems the only complaint to level against WN8 is that it does not go far enough (at around 70% based on damage done).

 

It's a poor metric because it weighs different active actions in the game incorrectly in the context of Blitz. WoT PC puts more of an emphasis on long-term engagements, spotting, and long-range fighting, which simply isn't Blitz, so the "win conditions" which WN8 is supposed to judge how efficient you are at meeting are different.

 

rWINc    = max(0,                     (rWIN    - 0.71) / (1 - 0.71) )
rDAMAGEc = max(0,                     (rDAMAGE - 0.22) / (1 - 0.22) )
rFRAGc   = max(0, min(rDAMAGEc + 0.2, (rFRAG   - 0.12) / (1 - 0.12)))
rSPOTc   = max(0, min(rDAMAGEc + 0.1, (rSPOT   - 0.38) / (1 - 0.38)))
rDEFc    = max(0, min(rDAMAGEc + 0.1, (rDEF    - 0.10) / (1 - 0.10)))

 

WN8 = 980*rDAMAGEc + 210*rDAMAGEc*rFRAGc + 155*rFRAGc*rSPOTc + 75*rDEFc*rFRAGc + 145*MIN(1.8,rWINc)

 

These two guys would have to have pretty much all of the coefficients adjusted to give an accurate rating. Kills are more important in Blitz, the winrate spread is higher, spotting is slightly less important, damage is based on much different tank balance, base defense is less important, etc.

 

At that point in the adjustment process, could you even call it WN8?







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