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SanguinaryDan #1 Posted 30 September 2018 - 05:50 PM

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Much as I love both the Caernarvon and the T95/Chieftain for their looks (that new Chieftain camo is friggin gorgeous), playstyle and sheer British-ness of their designs. I just can’t help but feel that they are horribly undergunned near to pointlessness. Neither the 90mm T208 nor the B barrel 20 pounder is even vaguely comparably to anything but the worst stock gun of any other Tier VIII Heavy tank. Even the rather meh 105mm of the T32 is a more threatening weapon. And while their penetration is reasonable their alpha is a joke. 

 

When you combine pop guns with mediocre armor and mobility you get a pair of tanks that will only reward the most error free playstyles. IRL where he who hits and pens first wins the design of these tanks is probably fine. But in Blitz?  Maybe not so much.

 

In the meta of the IS horde a gun that probably will penetrate but with half the alpha of a gun that “should” penetrate just doesn’t cut it, even with twice the RoF. 

 

Am I wrong?

 

 


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_Crusader6_ #2 Posted 30 September 2018 - 05:58 PM

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Caernarvon is OPAF due to the DPM and Pen - it eats IS spam whole. 

 

Chieftain is just a worse Caern with better credits. 

 

Neither need a buff -and the Caern is the best performance tier 8 tech tree heavy currently. 

 

 

 


 

 
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__ShootTheOtherGuy___ #3 Posted 30 September 2018 - 06:07 PM

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I honestly don't know, but playing the Caernarvon on my main account, I don't think she needs a buff. What tier 8 heavies that do need buffs are the Tiger 2 (powercreeped, obsolete), VK 45.02 A (Fäilure at everything) and T32 (Penetration is hilarious).

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View Post__Crusader6__, on 30 September 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

Caernarvon is OPAF due to the DPM and Pen - it eats IS spam whole. 

 

Chieftain is just a worse Caern with better credits. 

 

Neither need a buff -and the Caern is the best performance tier 8 tech tree heavy currently. 

 

 

 

Caernarvon is broken IMO. I was running it at 75% with around 120 battles before it tanked to 73% b/c weekends make for fun, enjoyable, dynamic gameplay.


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_PandAmanda #5 Posted 30 September 2018 - 06:32 PM

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While I hate them because of exceptionally low alpha and absurdly long Time to Kill, they’re pretty wel off. Personally I rather see an option to mount a bigger gun but with the same or less DPM just because I perfer guns with alpha over DPM

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_Crusader6_ #6 Posted 30 September 2018 - 06:35 PM

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View PostBronyman50, on 30 September 2018 - 01:32 PM, said:

While I hate them because of exceptionally low alpha and absurdly long Time to Kill, they’re pretty wel off. Personally I rather see an option to mount a bigger gun but with the same or less DPM just because I perfer guns with alpha over DPM

 

So you like the Pz70? 
 

 
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Motorbreath_ #7 Posted 30 September 2018 - 06:36 PM

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A 32-pounder could be useful

_Crusader6_ #8 Posted 30 September 2018 - 06:37 PM

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View PosttheFANTASTICfox, on 30 September 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:

A 32-pounder could be useful

 

So could a 105mm with HESH ;) 

   


 

 
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olddatsunfan #9 Posted 30 September 2018 - 06:38 PM

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I'm with Fox, I'd like to see the 32pdr gun as an option for the Caernarvon as they have on PC.
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_PandAmanda #10 Posted 30 September 2018 - 07:01 PM

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View Post__Crusader6__, on 30 September 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

 

So you like the Pz70? 

 

i was thinking more of the T-34/3 but the Kpanzer I find fun

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Immel_man #11 Posted 30 September 2018 - 07:10 PM

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If you want alpha why not drive IS#?

Some of us appreciate turret armor+gun depression+high ROF.

Quit trying to make everything equal.

SanguinaryDan #12 Posted 30 September 2018 - 09:08 PM

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View PostImmel_man, on 30 September 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

If you want alpha why not drive IS#?

Some of us appreciate turret armor+gun depression+high ROF.

Quit trying to make everything equal.

 

Better yet!  Quit trying to make it a fight!  

 

I asked a question because I felt that a pair of tanks I really enjoy were undervalued by many people because of their oddly weak guns. Multiple responders then pointed out that they found playstyle a more important feature than the damage per shot (as did you), but they didn’t try to assign a motive to my question. :facepalm:  

 

 

From my own limited experience I’ve found both tanks highly team dependent. And let’s be honest, for most players that is the kiss of death.  It’s also odd that you go from the 83mm gun on the Caernarvon to the 120mm gun on the Conqueror. I might be wrong here as well, but that has got to be one of, if not the, biggest single tier bore diameter jumps of any Heavy Tank line. Having the 32 pounder or even a HESH - less 105mm on the Caernarvon seems pretty logical. 


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